Reggie Miller is better than Ray Allen...

[Reggie43]

Fairly often? Give me examples then, aside from deron/paul and durant/melo whose matchups were probably determined by the strength advantage one player has over another

[Nowitness]

Also he needed 200 screens Per Game to score 20. Like Simmons said he wasn't a superstar, he made like zero all-nba teams (1/2).

[Reggie43]

This debate has really become an annual thing on ISH. We could just link to those past threads and save everyone the time typing each others arguments

As I said before in past threads this argument is basically a wash and it boils down to what skills/ traits do you value more in a player? Miller's leadership, efficiency and intangibles or Allen's offensive versatility, athleticism and ballhandling.

[BoutPractice]

I like them both, but Ray Allen is quite underrated and Reggie Miller definitely overrated.

As others have mentioned in this thread, Ray Allen was both more well-rounded than Reggie and performed just as well in the same areas of specialty.

Whatever you choose to track, from resume to peak level of play, Ray Allen will come out on top.

As for anyone who uses the "clutch" argument AGAINST Ray Allen in a player comparison, well... that's just not very convincing.

[Reggie43]

Peak level of play

Reggie 1989-90 24.6 ppg .514 fg% .414 3p% .868 ft% 3.6rpg 3.8apg 1.3spg

Ray 2006-07 26.4 ppg .438 fg% .378 3p% .903 ft% 4.5rpg 4.1apg 1.5spg

[SouBeachTalents]

Peak level of play

Reggie 1989-90 24.6 ppg .514 fg% .414 3p% .868 ft% 3.6rpg 3.8apg 1.3spg

Ray 2006-07 26.4 ppg .438 fg% .378 3p% .903 ft% 4.5rpg 4.1apg 1.5spg

You DEFINITELY don't have a bias in this argument

[Reggie43]

You DEFINITELY don't have a bias in this argument

Stats dont lie bro, give me a better Ray Allen statistical season then.

[Just2McFly]

Peak level of play

Reggie 1989-90 24.6 ppg .514 fg% .414 3p% .868 ft% 3.6rpg 3.8apg 1.3spg

Ray 2006-07 26.4 ppg .438 fg% .378 3p% .903 ft% 4.5rpg 4.1apg 1.5spg

put ray allen in late eighties where kiki vandeweghe was dropping 30 a game and ray ray will straight up rape

[Fork]

Allen > Miller

[BoutPractice]

If you're going to look at pure boxscore stats, peak Reggie Miller has a 21 PER and Ray Allen 23, with Allen playing a bigger, more diversified role (as evidenced by greater usage and assist rate, also in slightly more minutes per game).

To me the best Ray Allen was in Milwaukee, not Seattle.

[Reggie43]

put ray allen in late eighties where kiki vandeweghe was dropping 30 a game and ray ray will straight up rape

Put Reggie Miller in the mid 2000s where rule changes curtailed handchecking enabling a scrub like Mike James to drop 20 a game and Reggie will straight up rape.

[Reggie43]

If you're going to look at pure boxscore stats, peak Reggie Miller has a 21 PER and Ray Allen 23, with Allen playing a bigger, more diversified role (as evidenced by greater usage and assist rate, also in slightly more minutes per game).

To me the best Ray Allen was in Milwaukee, not Seattle.

Agreed with the bolded, its just that some fans prefer Sonics Ray so I went with those stats.

[GimmeThat]

I'm just going to say Allen because he had a better rookie season.

As for why does a rookie season matters?


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