Gasol, Bynum, Odom ....

[imnew09]

they were good role players( just like TT, Mosgov) and fit the triangle offense.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

I'm not joining this thread because it's old hat, but please don't post lies.

Odom averaged 12.3 and 9.7 points in the 09 and 10 title runs.

And again...the new 538 study ranks those teams quite well in terms of supporting cast help.

Think for a second here Kobe fans...do you think it's everyone else and objective measures that are biased...or do you think it's more likely that your love for Kobe gets in the way of your opinions?

Four Duncan teams made the Finals with superior supporting casts than the 09 and 10 Lakers per that study.

[HOoopCityJones]

Four Duncan teams made the Finals with superior supporting casts than the 09 and 10 Lakers per that study.

Deflection incoming.

[Legends66NBA7]

^Who were the contenders in 09 that had superstars ?

Cavaliers, Lakers, Magic, and Nuggets ? I didn't put the C's because without Garnett they weren't contending.

Cavs - Mo Williams (LeBron)
Magic - Rashard Lewis (Dwight)
Nuggets - Chauncey Billups (Melo)
Lakers - Pau Gasol (Kobe)

Pau was a legit 20/10 threat during that year and his post play and length is always a problem to counter. Played really well in the playoffs too. Thought he could have had more touches.

Chauncey was huge for the Nuggets turnaround. Some I've seen even say he was the best player for them. Make big shots, rebound, and pass. I would say it's between him and Pau, probably go with Pau.

Rashard was a bomber from 3, but didn't do much else outside from scoring. Same with Mo Williams but he sucked in the playoffs.

[HOoopCityJones]

^Who were the contenders in 09 that had superstars ?

Cavaliers, Lakers, Magic, and Nuggets ? I didn't put the C's because without Garnett they weren't contending.

Cavs - Mo Williams (LeBron)
Magic - Rashard Lewis (Dwight)
Nuggets - Chauncey Billups (Melo)
Lakers - Pau Gasol (Kobe)

Pau was a legit 20/10 threat during that year and his post play and length is always a problem to counter. Played really well in the playoffs too. Thought he could have had more touches.

Chauncey was huge for the Nuggets turnaround. Some I've seen even say he was the best player for them. Make big shots, rebound, and pass. I would say it's between him and Pau, probably go with Pau.

Rashard was a bomber from 3, but didn't do much else outside from scoring. Same with Mo Williams but he sucked in the playoffs.

DWill and Boozer were considered stars during that time too.

[DMAVS41]

Four Duncan teams made the Finals with superior supporting casts than the 09 and 10 Lakers per that study.

And?

Do you see Duncan fans acting like he didn't have quality help in 05 and 07?

I'm assuming two of those four were 13 and 14...I'd say Duncan was probably the best player in 13, but Leonard was the best player in 14.

So what is the point of this? That Duncan had great help and coaching many times in his career...especially late? Yep...totally agree.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

And?

So what does that say about Duncan's supporting casts in comparison to 2008-2010 Kobe according to your study?

[DMAVS41]

So what does that say about Duncan's supporting casts in comparison to 2008-2010 Kobe according to your study?

That he had great help often in his career....especially late.

Read above.

Do you not see the difference? You literally have Kobe fans claiming the 09/10 Lakers were as bad as these current Cavs.

Do you see Duncan fans claiming the 07 and 05 Spurs were as bad as these Cavs?

If you did...you'd have a point.

As it stands...you have no point whatsoever.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

That he had great help often in his career....especially late.

Did he have greater help than 2008-2010 Kobe for the majority of his trips to the Finals?

[DMAVS41]

Did he have greater help than 2008-2010 Kobe for the majority of his trips to the Finals?

Definitely in 05, 13, and 14 imo.

I'm not quite sure about 07...

With the caveat that in the 13 finals Duncan didn't get great help...Parker was beyond bad that series.

[NBASTATMAN]

Are superstars now?

This Kobe hate is getting ridiculous.



Post the next best players on that Team after Gasol, Odom, Bynum. Peep the drop off.

Artest was always considered a good player and great defender.. As soon as he gets the Lakers he scuked..

I will remind you that WITHOUT BYNUM AND KOBE THE LAKERS DOMINATED FOR A SMALL STRETCH...

[HOoopCityJones]

Artest was always considered a good player and great defender.. As soon as he gets the Lakers he scuked..

I will remind you that WITHOUT BYNUM AND KOBE THE LAKERS DOMINATED FOR A SMALL STRETCH...

Artest was offensively challenged by time he came to the Lakers. That's why the entire organization if not the league was legit surprised when he made a contribution.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Definitely in 05, 13, and 14 imo.

I'm not quite sure about 07...

Why aren't you sure?

The average 2008-2010 teammate rating for Kobe was 3.8.

For 2007 Duncan it was 5.0.

Isn't 5.0 larger than 3.8?

[KG215]

Are superstars now?

This Kobe hate is getting ridiculous.



Post the next best players on that Team after Gasol, Odom, Bynum. Peep the drop off.

Where did I call any of those three players superstars?

[HOoopCityJones]

Why aren't you sure?

The average 2008-2010 teammate rating for Kobe was 3.8.

For 2007 Duncan it was 5.0.

Isn't 5.0 larger than 3.8?

Don't you see the pattern?

He's never sure unless the metrics completely work against Kobe.


Exposing this fraud.