Do MJ fans punish LBJ for not having three 1st round sweeps?

[And1AllDay]

No doubt LBJ benefitted by NOT getting three 1st round sweeps like Mike 1-9 Jordan but do Mike fans hold it against Bron for getting 6k playoff points???

[Marchesk]

Does anyone outside of Simon care about 1-9?

[3ball]

Not as an 8 seed

But we'd crucify him if he did it as a 2 seed, 4 seed, or 3-time, defending conference champion

Plus, he had no all-stars like 05' lebron

[And1AllDay]

Why do MJ fans punish LBJ for not having three 1st round sweeps?

[3ball]

Why do MJ fans punish LBJ for not having three 1st round sweeps?

No one would punish him for that if he was an 8 seed vs 1 seed and he had no all-star teammates

but we DO punish him for getting swept or record defeat with a couple 2 seeds and a 4 seed, with multiple HOF teammates... Yikes..

Ultimately, lebron is 3/13 with 1-4 seeds (he's always had a 4 seed or better), while MJ is 6/9 with 1-4 seeds (6/8 excluding the baseball season).. MJ was simply more unbeatable, and he did it with 1 less all-star teammate than lebron's super-teams

[AlternativeAcc.]

No one would punish him for that if he was an 8 seed vs 1 seed and he had no all-star teammates

but we DO punish him for getting swept or record defeat with a couple 2 seeds and a 4 seed, with multiple HOF teammates... Yikes..

Ultimately, lebron is 3/13 with 1-4 seeds (he's always had a 4 seed or better), while MJ is 6/9 with 1-4 seeds (6/8 excluding the baseball season).. MJ was simply more unbeatable, and he did it with 1 less all-star teammate than lebron's super-teams

Arbitrary seedings are meaningless


LeBron carried teams with 8 seed talent to 1 and 2 seeds, which is why arbitrary regular season seedings are meaningless

[3ball]

Arbitrary seedings are meaningless


[COLOR="Blue"]LeBron carried teams with 8 seed talent to 1 and 2 seeds[/COLOR], which is why arbitrary regular season seedings are meaningless

So why didn't he do it in 05' despite producing more than he did in the 07' Finals run???...


05' LBJ:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 27/7/7.. 55.4 ts.. 25.7 PER.. 0.203 ws/48.. 8.3 bpm.. 8.8 vorp.. [COLOR="Navy"]9 seed, lottery[/COLOR]
07' LBJ:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 27/7/6.. 55.2 ts.. 24.5 PER.. 0.206 ws/48.. 7.4 bpm.. 7.6 vorp.. [COLOR="Navy"]2 seed, Finals[/color]


So it's false that lebron can carry any team to the playoffs, since the lottery 05 Cavs were getting better than lebron's Finals run production.

the all-star tandem of Lebron/Zydrunas simply needed personnel additions and a coaching change to make the 06/07 playoffs with lebron's 27/7/7 approach.. there's no reason to give lebron a pass for his 9 seeds as if he wasn't capable of those teams as a young player, while knocking young MJ for his 8 seeds...BOTH guys were crappy backpackers in their first couple seasons (couldn't carry shit and got low seeds)..

but by their 3rd healthy seasons (06' and 88') they both got the 3 seed and made the 2nd round.. in their 4th season, the champs swept lebron in the Finals, and needed 6 to best MJ in the ecf.. from their 5th season onwards, lebron lost 6 times with 1 or 2 seeds (squads), while MJ was the only top 10 player to go undefeated with squads (the most unbeatable player, aka goat)

[TheCorporation]

No doubt LBJ benefitted by NOT getting three 1st round sweeps like Mike 1-9 Jordan but do Mike fans hold it against Bron for getting 6k playoff points???

[TheCorporation]

So why didn't he do it in 05' despite producing more than he did in the 07' Finals run???...


05' LBJ:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 27/7/7.. 55.4 ts.. 25.7 PER.. 0.203 ws/48.. 8.3 bpm.. 8.8 vorp.. [COLOR="Navy"]9 seed, lottery[/COLOR]
07' LBJ:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 27/7/6.. 55.2 ts.. 24.5 PER.. 0.206 ws/48.. 7.4 bpm.. 7.6 vorp.. [COLOR="Navy"]2 seed, Finals[/color]


So it's false that lebron can carry any team to the playoffs, since the lottery 05 Cavs were getting better than lebron's Finals run production.

the all-star tandem of Lebron/Zydrunas simply needed personnel additions and a coaching change to make the 06/07 playoffs with lebron's 27/7/7 approach.. there's no reason to give lebron a pass for his 9 seeds as if he wasn't capable of those teams as a young player, while knocking young MJ for his 8 seeds...BOTH guys were crappy backpackers in their first couple seasons (couldn't carry shit and got low seeds)..

but by their 3rd healthy seasons (06' and 88') they both got the 3 seed and made the 2nd round.. in their 4th season, the champs swept lebron in the Finals, and needed 6 to best MJ in the ecf.. from their 5th season onwards, lebron lost 6 times with 1 or 2 seeds (squads), while MJ was the only top 10 player to go undefeated with squads (the most unbeatable player, aka goat)

Why do MJ fans punish LBJ for not having three 1st round sweeps?

[3ball]

LeBron carried teams with 8 seed talent to 1 and 2 seeds

Neither lebron or MJ were capable of carrying their team to decent seedings in their first couple seasons

But by their 3rd healthy seasons (06' and 88') they both got the 3 seed and made the 2nd round.. in their 4th season, the champs swept lebron in the Finals, and needed 6 to best MJ in the ecf.. from their 5th season onwards, lebron lost 6 times with 1 or 2 seeds (squads), while MJ was the only top 10 player to go undefeated with squads (the most unbeatable player, aka goat)

[egokiller]

Does anyone outside of Simon care about 1-9?

I mean, most of us know that Lechoke is 1-9 without Kyrie and Ray Allen's shots in the finals but he's not clutch in the finals so that's to be expected.

[TheCorporation]

Neither lebron or MJ were capable of carrying their team to decent seedings in their first couple seasons

But by their 3rd healthy seasons (06' and 88') they both got the 3 seed and made the 2nd round.. in their 4th season, the champs swept lebron in the Finals, and needed 6 to best MJ in the ecf.. from their 5th season onwards, lebron lost 6 times with 1 or 2 seeds (squads), while MJ was the only top 10 player to go undefeated with squads (the most unbeatable player, aka goat)

So just sweep 1-9 Pippen savior under the rug?

[3ball]

So just sweep 1-9 Pippen savior under the rug?

The same way we sweep 0/2 Hughes/Brown savior under the rug

[TheCorporation]

The same way we sweep 0/2 Hughes/Brown savior under the rug

Confirmed crazy person. Do you live in Toronto by chance?

[3ball]

Confirmed crazy person. Do you live in Toronto by chance?

Lebron missed the playoffs twice with an all-star in a weak conference that AI and Kidd were romping with shit casts to the Finals in.. that's gotta hurt