Which Defense is better: 2010 Finals V.S. 1996 Finals

[alexandreben]

Which Defense is better: 2010 Finals V.S. 1996 Finals

Garry Payton - Ray Allen

KG/Perkins - Kemp/Schrempf

Paul Pierce/Tony Allen - Hawkins/Askew




Here's some stats comparisson between Jordan and Kobe:

Jordan - 1996 Finals Average V.S. Kobe - 2010 Finals Average:
Jordan/Kobe
Min - 42 Min - 41.3
PPG - 27.3 PPG - 28.6
FG% - .415 FG% - .405
3P% - .316 3P% - .319
FT% - .836 FT% - .883
TRB - 5.3 TRB - 8
Ast - 4.2 Ast - 5.5
Stl - 1.7 Stl - 2.14
Blk - .2 Blk - .71
Tov - 3 Tov - 3.86



Jordan - Final Game 1996 Finals V.S. Kobe - Final Game 2010 Finals
Jordan/Kobe
Min - 43 Min - 45
PPG - 22 PPG - 23
FG% - 5-19 (.263) FG% - 6-24 (.25)
3P% - 1-3 (.333) 3P% - 0-6 (.000)
FT% - 11-12 (.917) FT% - 11-15 (.733)
TRB - 9 TRB - 15
Ast - 7 Ast - 2
Stl - 2 Stl - 1
Blk - 0 Blk - 0
Tov - 5 Tov - 4


Here's an old vid

[Sarcastic]

Gary Payton is a better individual defender than anything Kobe has ever seen, but the Celtics played a much better team defense than the Sonics, but still not as good as the defenses Jordan saw during the 1990's in the Eastern Conference (Knicks, Pistons).

[DwightHowardMVP]

Detlef Schrempf guarded Jordan for most of the series.


Kobe would drop 60 on him.

[Mr Clutch Melo]

Detlef Schrempf guarded Jordan for most of the series.


Kobe would drop 60 on him.

Stop lying, Payton guarded Jordan. Payton is maybe the GOAT perimeter defender. Payton should not be named in the same sentence as Ray Allen ( In terms of defense) and Tony Allen

[Sarcastic]

Detlef Schrempf guarded Jordan for most of the series.


Kobe would drop 60 on him.

Detlef guarded him some, not most.

Remember also, Detlef was 6'9". Very unlikely Kobe that Kobe would drop 60 on him.

[asdf1990]

Detlef Schrempf guarded Jordan for most of the series.


Kobe would drop 60 on him.

sry kobe only scores 60 in the regular season, he plays like shit during the playoffs.

[Leviathon1121]

Detlef Schrempf guarded Jordan for most of the series.


Kobe would drop 60 on him.

Seriously, can we ban this idiot? Have you ever posted anything that is not a complete fabrication?

[Bigsmoke]

the defense in 2010.

[alexandreben]

Gary Payton is a better individual defender than anything Kobe has ever seen, but the Celtics played a much better team defense than the Sonics, but still not as good as the defenses Jordan saw during the 1990's in the Eastern Conference (Knicks, Pistons).

Agree, Payton is unique defensive player, less muscle and weight(means better speed and quickness), short enough to be more agile but not too short:

maybe only Fraizer can compare with GP...


96' Supersonics defense certainly not as good as Knicks and Pistons in the early 90's, question is, was it as good as the 2010 finals' Celtics?

[knightfall88]

I think theres no question that 2010 is better.

One thing really like was how Ray Allen would always walk up under Kobe's legs while he is jumpshooting instead of contesting. That was really clever.

[alexandreben]

I think theres no question that 2010 is better.

One thing really like was how Ray Allen would always walk up under Kobe's legs while he is jumpshooting instead of contesting. That was really clever.

So, are you saying that Ray Allen's defense is better than Garry Payton?

[ginobli2311]

So, are you saying that Ray Allen's defense is better than Garry Payton?

I think the team defenses were very similar. but gary payton was literally ten times the defender that ray allen or tony allen is. people either forget or are too young to know the kind of defender payton was. he's one of the 10 to 15 best perimeter defenders of all time. he was in the heart of his prime in 96 and was a tough matchup for jordan.

i have the series on dvd. trust me....jordan played well to shoot 42%. also....the rest of the bulls were awful for most of that series....jordan had to take a lot of forced shots that he normally wouldn't have taken.

basically the exact opposite of kobe. kobe had a matchup he should have been able to exploit...but he couldn't. kobe also should have deferred to his teammates because they were playing better than him. jordan had a brutal matchup and his teammates were really struggling so it forced him to do more.

i can't remember....but i think jordan was more efficient from the field than kobe was as well.

[indiefan24]

I think the team defenses were very similar. but gary payton was literally ten times the defender that ray allen or tony allen is. people either forget or are too young to know the kind of defender payton was. he's one of the 10 to 15 best perimeter defenders of all time. he was in the heart of his prime in 96 and was a tough matchup for jordan.

i have the series on dvd. trust me....jordan played well to shoot 42%. also....the rest of the bulls were awful for most of that series....jordan had to take a lot of forced shots that he normally wouldn't have taken.

basically the exact opposite of kobe. kobe had a matchup he should have been able to exploit...but he couldn't. kobe also should have deferred to his teammates because they were playing better than him. jordan had a brutal matchup and his teammates were really struggling so it forced him to do more.

i can't remember....but i think jordan was more efficient from the field than kobe was as well.

not saying kobe didn't play bad, but his team was non-existent at times as well. usually when kobe played well (gms 1, 3 and 6) his teammates played great--exception being game 5. game 7 was the one game where kobe played awful, but his team was able to pull through for the win.

[ImmortalD24]

Boston's defense is underrated and is considerably better than those Sonics on that side of the floor.

[Da_Realist]

You're missing the point. Boston played great D, but that's not the reason Kobe struggled. Kobe struggled because he has a hero complex and he likes taking dumb shots. Orlando forced* Kobe into shooting 43% last year. Does that mean they are a top-5 defense? LOL

* - allowed Kobe to take dumb shots