Why do the Bulls fans think Derrick Rose is better than Damian Lillard?

[LilEddyCurry]

Even in Rose's MVP year he was not even a top 5 player in the league. At the time people did not know that:

1. Bulls always overachieve in the regular season.
2. How good of a coach Thibs was.
3. The impact that Noah brings.
4. The scoring numbers that Rose put up + his athletic and aesthetically pleasing style of play made 'fans' believe that he was better than he was.

LeBron, Wade, Kobe, Howard and Durant were all better that year.

[Pointguard]

hes mad overrated. People hyped him up only for him to become lebrons punching bag in the playoffs.

And Lebron was Dirk's punching bag that year. He beat a healthy Rose once when Rose had a good team. WoW!!! And Lebron was in his prime and Rose was a kid. Not only that but Lebron was a zombie after that Rose series.

[Pointguard]

Even in Rose's MVP year he was not even a top 5 player in the league. At the time people did not know that:

1. Bulls always overachieve in the regular season.
2. How good of a coach Thibs was.
3. The impact that Noah brings.
4. The scoring numbers that Rose put up + his athletic and aesthetically pleasing style of play made 'fans' believe that he was better than he was.

LeBron, Wade, Kobe, Howard and Durant were all better that year.

Well we will focus on what you don't know.

1. Give me another example when the Bulls dominated the elite, had the best record despite crazy injuries. And what other years are you saying they overachieved in the regular season?
2. Thibs was a good defensive motivator. But its inexcusable when your professional team can't break a trap. You learn that before HS.
3. Noah sucked that year. You don't know what you are talking about. They dominated the elite teams after Noah went down. Noah was benched twice in the 4th quarter in the ECF.
4. They dominated the elite teams in the 4th quarter because of Rose's execution. This team was NOT a veteran team, a super talented team, a healthy team, experienced team but WAS a young injured team with over 20 different starting line-ups, a first year coach, second and third best players missing 67 games.

Durant had no effect that is comparable to Rose's effect. Kobe's play fell off tremendously that year because he was tired. With those two you are just being silly. Lebron and Wade were on the same team that had three superstars who were healthier along with veteran help and still didn't win as many games. Rose was significantly better than all of the other super stars in critical games, games against the elite and each other, and was more consistent throughout the year.

[Lebronxrings]

And Lebron was Dirk's punching bag that year. He beat a healthy Rose once when Rose had a good team. WoW!!! And Lebron was in his prime and Rose was a kid. Not only that but Lebron was a zombie after that Rose series.

lebron shut prime rose down after all the hype about the bulls and rose surpassing lebron. He also beat the bulls singlehandedly last year in the playoffs. The two comparisons aren't similar at all.

[Pointguard]

lebron shut prime rose down after all the hype about the bulls and rose surpassing lebron. He also beat the bulls singlehandedly last year in the playoffs. The two comparisons aren't similar at all.

If a 22 year old Rose was going to surpass prime Lebron on super collude mode, Lebron would have to be all hype and no substance. No questions asked. Don't you have some pride in Bron. That wasn't a reality at that time and you know it. Rose wasn't healthy last year, nor was his team much.

[LilEddyCurry]

Well we will focus on what you don't know.

1. Give me another example when the Bulls dominated the elite, had the best record despite crazy injuries. And what other years are you saying they overachieved in the regular season?
2. Thibs was a good defensive motivator. But its inexcusable when your professional team can't break a trap. You learn that before HS.
3. Noah sucked that year. You don't know what you are talking about. They dominated the elite teams after Noah went down. Noah was benched twice in the 4th quarter in the ECF.
4. They dominated the elite teams in the 4th quarter because of Rose's execution. This team was NOT a veteran team, a super talented team, a healthy team, experienced team but WAS a young injured team with over 20 different starting line-ups, a first year coach, second and third best players missing 67 games.

Durant had no effect that is comparable to Rose's effect. Kobe's play fell off tremendously that year because he was tired. With those two you are just being silly. Lebron and Wade were on the same team that had three superstars who were healthier along with veteran help and still didn't win as many games. Rose was significantly better than all of the other super stars in critical games, games against the elite and each other, and was more consistent throughout the year.

Lets see how the Bulls did in the playoffs from 2011 and onwards. In 2011 they were destroyed by the second seed Heat. We will skip 2012 because of initial shock and mental affect the Rose injury had on the team. In 2013 they snapped Miami's 27-game win streak and Bulls fans were hyping them up to match well against Miami but then lost to Miami in 5 games. in 2014 they lost to the lower seeded Wizards in 5 games. The year after that as the 3rd seed lost to the second seed Cavaliers who were without Kevin Love and also Kyrie was hobbled in most of the series. We can see that Bulls have had a better regular season compared to playoffs in the years in which Thibs was the coach because of how hard he makes them work in the regular season.

Wade, Durant and Bryant both scored more points on a higher field goal percentage. Rose was in the right situation with the right team, coach and system that made him into the MVP in the regular season. Yes Rose had a heck of a season and I do give Rose credit but people overstate it. People make it that he was the best player in the league when it is very debatable that he was not a top 5 player.

[SilkkTheShocker]

hes mad overrated. People hyped him up only for him to become lebrons punching bag in the playoffs.

This.

[tpols]

If a 22 year old Rose was going to surpass prime Lebron on super collude mode, Lebron would have to be all hype and no substance. No questions asked. Don't you have some pride in Bron. That wasn't a reality at that time and you know it. Rose wasn't healthy last year, nor was his team much.

ha .. the funny thing is, when Lebron was tasked with carrying an elite defensive team by himself and lost last year, all these guys cried about his lack of help in relation to offensive juggernaut that beat him. When the tables were turned, not a peep.

[SilkkTheShocker]

ha .. the funny thing is, when Lebron was tasked with carrying an elite defensive team by himself and lost last year, all these guys cried about his lack of help in relation to offensive juggernaut that beat him. When the tables were turned, not a peep.

So are too trying to say the Cavs minus Love/Irving were still more talented than those Bulls teams?

[tpols]

So are too trying to say the Cavs minus Love/Irving were still more talented than those Bulls teams?

neither team had an offensive threat outside rose / bran.. and the cavs last year were the best defensive team of the playoffs.. right on par with Bulls of 2011, and they even played similarly.. slow, crash offensive glass and lockdown defense.. but they respectively ran into offensive juggernauts golden state and big 3 wade, bosh, bron heat..



imagine if Rose had Wade and Bosh and a top 5 defense and bran had boozer and noah and keith bogans .. you'd be crying to the heavens about brans lack of help.

[Prime_Shaq]

MVP Rose sure was one exciting player

[DMAVS41]

neither team had an offensive threat outside rose / bran.. and the cavs last year were the best defensive team of the playoffs.. right on par with Bulls of 2011, and they even played similarly.. slow, crash offensive glass and lockdown defense.. but they respectively ran into offensive juggernauts golden state and big 3 wade, bosh, bron heat..



imagine if Rose had Wade and Bosh and a top 5 defense and bran had boozer and noah and keith bogans .. you'd be crying to the heavens about brans lack of help.

Wade and Rose is a terrible pairing for starters. Also, the Heat's defense was top 5 in large part because of Lebron. That team was much worse defensively without Bron...and he was definitely an elite defender in a way Rose couldn't ever touch back then.

I'd bet big money on the Bulls beating the Heat in 11 if you switched Rose and Lebron. For starters, it's almost impossible for Lebron to play as poorly as Rose did...and there is no way Rose plays as well as Lebron did for the Heat on both ends.

Again, that series was very close...even with Rose playing about as bad as possible...and Lebron playing very well.

As for Rose vs Lillard...tough call, but ultimately I'll probably take the guy that can reliably shoot in this era. Just too much of a liability when the other team is hoping your pg shoots from distance.

[Angel Face]

No Bulls fan in their right mind would think Rose is better then Lillard. Rose is done but pre-injury MVP Rose > Lillard.

[LilEddyCurry]

ha .. the funny thing is, when Lebron was tasked with carrying an elite defensive team by himself and lost last year, all these guys cried about his lack of help in relation to offensive juggernaut that beat him. When the tables were turned, not a peep.

This year has been LeBron's lowest scoring year of his career (excluding his rookie year when he came straight from high school) 25.3 points. In Derrick Rose's MVP season he averaged 25.0 points on 44.5% shooting. Bear in mind, LeBron not even a scorer and 44.5% is lower than Kobe's career field goal percentage. Derrick Rose is not even in the same category as LeBron.

No, I am not a Derrick Rose hater. The bandwagon fans who hyped him up during this MVP year and who are now over nostalgic over his MVP year are annoying.

[eliteballer]

I feel like the main thing holding Rose back is himself.

He's still supremely athletic but I feel like mentally he's not there after the injuries.

He should be a 25/8 player.