Why does Old Kobe struggle so much against Shawn Marion

[jlip]

Whatever was going on between Lebron's ears had a far greater defensive impact on Lebron in the Finals than anything Marion did.

[lefthook00]

Kind of sad to see. I remember when Kobe used to absolutely abuse a younger, faster, but still a vet Marion in the playoffs 4-5 years ago. 06 and 07 playoffs are pretty much where Kobe's hatred of the Suns comes from.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70InWc-oA18

[Derivative]

kobe was not a superstar during 00-02 championship, he was more like pippen to shaq

[SlayerEnraged]

Kind of sad to see. I remember when Kobe used to absolutely abuse a younger, faster, but still a vet Marion in the playoffs 4-5 years ago. 06 and 07 playoffs are pretty much where Kobe's hatred of the Suns comes from.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70InWc-oA18

That's cause the suns suck at defense. Marion is a decent defender, however it's really the mavs that make him look good. That is especially true with Pierce, Ray Allen and Kg's celtics. Kobe used to crap on them all the time but now because they're on the same team instead of seperate teams and on a good defensive team, Kobe usually doesn't explode vs. them.

[SlayerEnraged]

kobe was not a superstar during 00-02 championship, he was more like pippen to shaq

He was easily as good as Shaq in 01 and 02. Kobe was better in the WCF playoffs where there were real defenders to play Shaq. In 01 Shaq got to go up against old and to skinny for him Dikembe Mutumbo, and in 02 he went up against 6 '9 Kenyon Martin. Lakers woulda been morons to not go to shaq more than Kobe in those series.

[Deuce Bigalow]

kobe was not a superstar during 00-02 championship, he was more like pippen to shaq

'00 you can say he wasn't really a "superstar" yet, but '01 & '02?

'01 Playoffs
vs Blazers - 25/4/8/48%
vs Kings - 35/9/4/48%
vs Spurs - 33/7/7/51%
vs Sixers - 25/8/6/42%

'02 Playoffs
vs Blazers - 26/6/5/35%
vs Spurs - 26/5/5/45%
vs Kings - 27/6/4/42%
vs Nets - 27/6/5/51%

Game 7s
'00 WCF - 25/11/7/47%, 4 blk
'02 WCF - 30/10/7/39%

[OldSchoolBBall]

He was easily as good as Shaq in 01 and 02.

lol

[pauk]

Matrix owns Kobe and LeBron defensively but he can't contain Lin whatsoever.

Lebron had no problem whatsoever against him..... last time he torched the Mavs... dropping 37-10-6 @ 58% FG... on the contrary, Lebron shut down Marion defensively that game....

Not even in the Finals did he have trouble... he shot 48% fg, took only like 10-14 shots that series... he was just facilitating, leading everybody in assists.... Heat were doing perfectly fine that way, the only problem Lebron/Heat had were closing out games in the clutch.... thats the only reason they lost...

If that series was replayed Lebron would absolutely go ham on Mavs....

[SlayerEnraged]

lol

Kobe dominated Shaq vs the 01 Spurs and WCF in general. ALl Shaq got was the ball more. 21-22 Kobe better than 27-29 year old shaq. 27-29=someones absolute peak. No question who was better better ever or even those years.

[pauk]

If Pippen & Gasol were only "stars" in those championship runs... then Kobe was that to alongside Shaq....

[Heavincent]

If Pippen & Gasol were only "stars" in those championship runs... then Kobe was that to alongside Shaq....

Uh no. Kobe was far better in 01 and 02 than Gasol ever was.

[Deuce Bigalow]

If Pippen & Gasol were only "stars" in those championship runs... then Kobe was that to alongside Shaq....

Did Gasol or Pippen average 29-7-6 or 27-6-5 like Kobe did in '01&'02?

[Legends66NBA7]

He was easily as good as Shaq in 01 and 02. Kobe was better in the WCF playoffs where there were real defenders to play Shaq. In 01 Shaq got to go up against old and to skinny for him Dikembe Mutumbo, and in 02 he went up against 6 '9 Kenyon Martin. Lakers woulda been morons to not go to shaq more than Kobe in those series.

No, he wasn't easily as good.

He came into his own as a superstar, but was still a notch or 2 below Shaq as a total player.

Plus, Shaq was much more consistent in all his runs than Kobe was. Doesn't take anything away from what Kobe did, but Shaq just dominated more.

[MJ23forever]

he was more like pippen to shaq

kobe was 'magic' to shaq's 'kareem'

[pegasus]

Lebron had no problem whatsoever against him..... last time he torched the Mavs... dropping 37-10-6 @ 58% FG... on the contrary, Lebron shut down Marion defensively that game....

Not even in the Finals did he have trouble... he shot 48% fg, took only like 10-14 shots that series... he was just facilitating, leading everybody in assists.... Heat were doing perfectly fine that way, the only problem Lebron/Heat had were closing out games in the clutch.... thats the only reason they lost...

If that series was replayed Lebron would absolutely go ham on Mavs....

I'm used to you trying to rewrite history, but the finals were only 8 fuc*king months ago. Stop with that "he was facilitating BS". He was getting raped on both ends of the floor, that's what he was doing.