Scottie Pippen vs. Larry Bird rebounding%

[1987_Lakers]

I am a Pippen fan but these kinds of nonsensical arguments are only going to get people to dislike him here. In a similar way as jlauber gets on peoples' tits with the Wilt stuff.

Pippen wasn't near Bird as a rebounder, it's not even close. The statement that Pippen played with better rebounders is also worthy.

Exactly

[97 bulls]

I am a Pippen fan but these kinds of nonsensical arguments are only going to get people to dislike him here. In a similar way as jlauber gets on peoples' tits with the Wilt stuff.

Pippen wasn't near Bird as a rebounder, it's not even close. The statement that Pippen played with better rebounders is also worthy.

Im a Bird fan. But the numbers show they were even as far as rebounding. Dennis Rodmans rebound% was as high as Mchales and Parrishs together. Jordan% was on par with both Ainge and Dennis Johnson together as well. Two of our players add up to four of yours.

[1987_Lakers]

Im a Bird fan. But the numbers show they were even as far as rebounding. Dennis Rodmans rebound% was as high as Mchales and Parrishs together. Jordan% was on par with both Ainge and Dennis Johnson together as well. Two of our players add up to four of yours.

By the time Chicago got Rodman, Pippen was only at 10 TRB%. Bird, despite having Parish, McHale, & Walton in 1986 was at 14 TRB%. How exactly does that prove Pippen & Bird were a wash on rebounding? Even before Pippen had Rodman on his team he never had a 14 TRB% season.

[97 bulls]

By the time Chicago got Rodman, Pippen was only at 10 TRB%. Bird, despite having Parish, McHale, & Walton in 1986 was at 14 TRB%. How exactly does that prove Pippen & Bird were a wash on rebounding? Even before Pippen had Rodman on his team he never had a 14 TRB% season.

1986 is one year bro. Even before Rodman joined the Bulls, Jordans percentage was at 10 yearly. Both Ainge and Johnson were barely at 5 a piece. He was rebounding at a rate of both the Celtics guard percentage-wise. Combined. As much as you hate to admit. Both Horace Grant and Bill Cartwright were on par with Mchale and Parrish. Then you got another guard thats not accounte for in Armsrtong. Who was pushing 4-5.

To be honest, the second threepeat Bulls blow the Celtics out the water where rebound%to is concerned.

[LeBird]

Use your brain. It is a diminishing returns argument. Jordan and Pippen on that Celtics team would have fewer rebounds; you can't compare like for like because the Celtics and the Bulls had different competition for the rebounds. That directly impacts on your TRB%. The fact that Jordan and Pippen had higher % - despite not having a lot of total rebounds - is because of the fact that they had little competition. This shouldn't need explaining to anyone who knows even the basics of the game.

[nycelt84]

Btw Maxwell was the PF always not Bird.

[Overdrive]

Bird on avg over his seasons had a rebound% of 14. Pippen had an avg of 11. But their teams? The other four Bulls starters had an avg of 46%. The other four Celtics starters were only 41.

So Pippen had better rebounders on his team. Which is why his percentage was lower. And you have to factor in that Pippen played farther away from the basket than Bird did. Which could easily sway the argument in Pippens favor as far as rebounding.

You understand that others taking away TRB% from Pippen doesn't help your argument? It doesn't make his teammates the better rebounders it makes Pippen the worse one.
You understand basic math? 14/41 = 34,15% of the starters rebounds, 11/46 = 23,91% of the starters rebounds. Your cherry picking didn't help your argument.

[97 bulls]

You understand that others taking away TRB% from Pippen doesn't help your argument? It doesn't make his teammates the better rebounders it makes Pippen the worse one.
You understand basic math? 14/41 = 34,15% of the starters rebounds, 11/46 = 23,91% of the starters rebounds. Your cherry picking didn't help your argument.

You could say that. But then youd be have to imply that either Ainge or Johnson are better rebounders than Jordan. And thats not the case. The years Jordan retired, Pippens percentage improved to a very Birdlike 13%. Granted they never got as high as Birdwas 14%, but Pippen spent a good portion of his time on the perimeter. Bird tended to stay closer to the Basket. This is especially true on the defensive side of the ball where Bird would tend to guard the other teams slower forward.

[Overdrive]

You could say that. But then youd be have to imply that either Ainge or Johnson are better rebounders than Jordan. And thats not the case. The years Jordan retired, Pippens percentage improved to a very Birdlike 13%. Granted they never got as high as Birdwas 14%, but Pippen spent a good portion of his time on the perimeter. Bird tended to stay closer to the Basket. This is especially true on the defensive side of the ball where Bird would tend to guard the other teams slower forward.

I understand what you mean, but you got asked to post the TRB%, because you claimed Pippen's would be as good as Bird's, which they aren't in any way.

I got the numbers wrong, since I misread your post it's 14/55 and 11/57 respectively, which makes it a 6% difference instead.

Bird guarding closer to the basket doesn't raise his chances that much, since he still had his defensive dutys to do. If a guy shoots over you, you most likely don't get the rebound anyway, so in order to find out if Bird had an advantage guarding the 4 spot we'd need to find out the usage rate and FG% of his opponents while guarding the 4.

Imo rebound is a bit knowledge, but a lot instinct driven and by that you are either a rebounder or you're not. Pippen wasn't bad, but he wasn't on Bird's level.

[LeBird]

No, he doesn't have to imply that Ainge or Johnson are better. As I said, and he added, it is basic basketball and basic math. Of course Pippen's TRB% would rise if Jordan left...that's kind of the point.

To put it simply, Bird matched one of the greatest rebounders of all time (Malone); if Pippen even dreamed of doing such a thing his mama would slap him for being so silly. Or maybe Charles Oakley would.

[necya]

I am a Pippen fan but these kinds of nonsensical arguments are only going to get people to dislike him here. In a similar way as jlauber gets on peoples' tits with the Wilt stuff.

Pippen wasn't near Bird as a rebounder, it's not even close. The statement that Pippen played with better rebounders is also worthy.

i cosign this post.
Why people are stucking on statistics ?? that's typical of american sports fans

Pippen is a great rebounder no doubt, Bird without looking at his numbers is a master in this area. he applies all the basics perfectly.

[1987_Lakers]

Celtics: #1 in rebounding in 1986 - Bird: 14.2 TRB%

Bulls: Average rebounding in 1995 (No Grant or MJ) - Pippen: 12.5 TRB%

"But Bird had better numbers because Pippen played with better rebounders."

[97 bulls]

I understand what you mean, but you got asked to post the TRB%, because you claimed Pippen's would be as good as Bird's, which they aren't in any way.

I got the numbers wrong, since I misread your post it's 14/55 and 11/57 respectively, which makes it a 6% difference instead.

Bird guarding closer to the basket doesn't raise his chances that much, since he still had his defensive dutys to do. If a guy shoots over you, you most likely don't get the rebound anyway, so in order to find out if Bird had an advantage guarding the 4 spot we'd need to find out the usage rate and FG% of his opponents while guarding the 4.

Imo rebound is a bit knowledge, but a lot instinct driven and by that you are either a rebounder or you're not. Pippen wasn't bad, but he wasn't on Bird's level.

Id venture to guess their usage rates arent that high consiering Bird guarded the weaker scorer between the forward positions. Which is also why his defensive rating is so high.

Either way. You cant minimize how much of an effect rebounding closer to the basket has as opposed to trying to do it from the perimeter. Obviously its not the end all to be all. But Birds percentage was only one point higher than Pippens over the years in question on avg. Thats excluding the Rodman years. Its not as if hes pushing 20%.

[97 bulls]

i cosign this post.
Why people are stucking on statistics ?? that's typical of american sports fans

Pippen is a great rebounder no doubt, Bird without looking at his numbers is a master in this area. he applies all the basics perfectly.

87 lakers brought in the rebound percentages. I dont mind statistics. But theyre useless if you dont put them into context.

[LeBird]

If Bird played with the Bulls his TRB% would be higher. You can't compare them across - like for like - like that because it is team dependent. Playing with a better group of rebounders means he'll have to battle for a higher proportion of the share.