Rank them in terms of making teammates better: MJ, LeBron, Kobe, Magic

[3ball]

3) MJ- Didnt make anyone better, Pippen was better without MJ (MVP candidate, top 5 PER leader), Rodman played worse with MJ than with the Pistons. However, the traingle system allowed MJs all star teammates to have opportunities to succeed under the brilliance of Phil Jackson. Overall had little impact in making teammates either better or worse (more on the worse side)

Why use plural?... MJ won 6 championships with ONE all-star teammate.. Pippen.

Otoh, Lebron needed 2... Magic needed 2... Bird needed 2.. Duncan needed 2.. Kobe needed Shaq.

[Bankaii]

Why use plural?... MJ won 6 championships with ONE all-star teammate.. Pippen.

Otoh, Lebron needed 2... Magic needed 2... Bird needed 2.. Duncan needed 2.. Kobe needed Shaq.

Grant was an all star the year after Jordan left. Rodman was before he joined the Bulls. It's not their fault Jordan-ball repressed them.

And why not use All-NBA and All-Defensive 1st team teammates? Jordan was the only one to have this out of the names listed. THREE times.

[feyki]

Bill Russell
Kareem
Bird
Nash
Duncan

[Rooster]

Completely false. They all had their best seasons before going to LA with Kobe, except Bynum.

Ariza was not even part of a rotation of a woeful Knicks team . Pau was getting no playoff wins and was only considered one of the best big men when he played with the Lakers and won 2 rings Odom was barely making any noteworthy attention until he won the 6th man award as a Laker. Individually only Artest was probably better but he was a wrecked until he played with the Lakers and won a ring.

[Bankaii]

Ariza was not even part of a rotation of a woeful Knicks team . Pau was getting no playoff wins and was only considered one of the best big men when he played with the Lakers and won 2 rings Odom was barely making any noteworthy attention until he won the 6th man award as a Laker. Individually only Artest was probably better but he was a wrecked until he played with the Lakers and won a ring.

Who said anything about the Knicks you idiot?
You said the had their BEST seasons with Kobe. That is false.
You are talking about their notoriety which will obviously come when you're playing for the Lakers.

Pau's best statistical season was in Memphis. Ariza's in Washington/Houston. Artest with the Rockets. Odom with the Clippers. And Artest was a solid ass player before the Lakers, quit making shit up.

Quit confusing team success and fame with individual dominance. Kobe made none of them better players, he helped them get rings as they did the same for him.

[Dragonyeuw]

Grant was an all star the year after Jordan left. Rodman was before he joined the Bulls. It's not their fault Jordan-ball repressed them.

Rodman's last all-star game was 92, 4 seasons before he joined Chicago. He was 35 and well past being one by that point.

Grant was, the two prior seasons before his lone all-star appearance in 94, 14/10 and 13/10. He 'jumped' to 15/11 when MJ left, so he was repressed by a whooping 2 points and 1 rebound? If 15/11 was good enough in 1994 to be an all-star, then the prior two seasons were good enough as well, the voters just felt other forwards were more deserving. He then goes to Orlando and averages 13/10, literally the same thing he averaged with MJ.

How about B.J Armstrong? From 12.3 with MJ to 14.8, a whooping 2.5 points more. If MJ was actually repressing these guys, when he was out in 94 you'd have seen far more significant increases in production. On the contrary, they were pretty close to maxing out their production with MJ still getting his 30/6/6.

[Rooster]

Who said anything about the Knicks you idiot?
You said the had their BEST seasons with Kobe. That is false.
You are talking about their notoriety which will obviously come when you're playing for the Lakers.

Pau's best statistical season was in Memphis. Ariza's in Washington/Houston. Artest with the Rockets. Odom with the Clippers. And Artest was a solid ass player before the Lakers, quit making shit up.

Quit confusing team success and fame with individual dominance. Kobe made none of them better players, he helped them get rings as they did the same for him.

Did you say they were better before going to LA. It's a fact, most of Kobe teammate were better playing with Kobe. Smush, Kwame, Luke Walton etc. And of course team success is important because name me a player that put a better stat in a championship team than playing for a mediocre team.

[ShawkFactory]

Magic
Kobe
MJ
Lebron

Magic is the GOAT at distributing the ball and running an offense that produces a lot of points, he made everyone around him better because he would always make the right play to the right player and he was also a threat to drop 30-40 points in his prime, could play any position

Kobe gets underrated in this aspect. Shaq, Pau, Bynum, Odom all had their best years playing with him and they won a lot of rings, look at their careers on other teams.

Lebron is a gifted passer but he's too much like your typical kid playing NBA 2K. Dominates the ball way too much, so those 7-8 assists he might drop aren't as valuable as you would think, he isn't Magic Johnson because he can't pass like Magic and in no way is he Jordan/Kobe as far as scoring goes, he's a tier below and his Playoff success (or lack thereof) shows that. Yes, he is great at padding his numbers playing against a ton of weak teams in the regular season and in the Eastern Conference Playoffs, but how many times has he come up short in the Finals for his career? Don't let the numbers against Spurs and GSW these past 2 yrs fool you, his team wasn't a threat to win those series so they let him get his at the expense of his teammates. That's why you saw his efficiency dip considerably in 2nd halves/crunch time.

There's a reason why he was a lot more efficient in Miami and why he was able to win b2b, their roster combined with the system made him play off-ball a lot more and he got a ton of baskets by catching the ball in the post, playing at the 4, or getting a wide open 3pt shot.

You just inadvertently gave Lebron a pass. He put up great numbers on teams with no chance of winning these past two years. Sound familiar?

Overall I agree with your assessments.

[Bankaii]

Did you say they were better before going to LA. It's a fact, most of Kobe teammate were better playing with Kobe. Smush, Kwame, Luke Walton etc. And of course team success is important because name me a player that put a better stat in a championship team than playing for a mediocre team.

Instead of spamming this gay ass emojis how about you provide some proof to the bullshit you're spouting?

Smush was only healthy for the full season his 2 years in LA. And even then his ROOKIE season where he played 66 games is comparable to this 2 seasons.

Luke Walton played his entire career with the Lakers.

Kwame had his best season in Washington.

All these players either were better without Kobe or stayed the same with him. Kobe just isn't on that level of making teammates better.

And to your other point, just off the top of my head from last year from the Cavs both Kyrie and Mozgov has their best seasons last year on their first contending team.

[Rooster]

Instead of spamming this gay ass emojis how about you provide some proof to the bullshit you're spouting?

Smush was only healthy for the full season his 2 years in LA. And even then his ROOKIE season where he played 66 games is comparable to this 2 seasons.

Luke Walton played his entire career with the Lakers.

Kwame had his best season in Washington.

All these players either were better without Kobe or stayed the same with him. Kobe just isn't on that level of making teammates better.

And to your other point, just off the top of my head from last year from the Cavs both Kyrie and Mozgov has their best seasons last year on their first contending team.

Why the heck Smush could not stay in the L.

And why the Wizards can't wait to trade Kwame

All other players that played with Kobe have their best years playing with him. Sasha, Atkins, Mihm, Turiaf, Cook, George etc.

I said Championship team. Name me a player that put a better stat.

[StephHamann]

The only player that Lebron made better is Tristan Thompson, because he can rebound all those Bricks from Lebron.

[Bankaii]

The only player that Lebron made better is Tristan Thompson, because he can rebound all those Bricks from Lebron.

He had his two best rebounding seasons the two years before Lebron returned to the Cavs.

You're dubeta level retarded.