Question about last years Title won by the Warriors

[BedroomBully]

I've been reading a lot about how Lebron only long d!cked the Warriors because of Curry's injury, Iggy having a bad back, Green's suspension, and Bogut being out as well for 1.5 games. My question is, does this diminish the value of last years title as well? Since 2 of the best players on the Cavs were hurt?

[warriorfan]

Kyrie was a huge loss for Cleveland in 2015. However Kevin Love missing in 2015 was not as big of a hindrance as some would think.

If you remember, while both teams were at full strength, Cleveland got blown out twice in a row in games 1 and 2. The first turn of the tide was in game 3 where Cleveland secured their first win, without Kevin Love playing a single minute (Game 3 of the 2016 Finals)

At the end of the 2016 Finals, Kevin Love averaged only 8 points a game on 47% True Shooting (Statistics of the 2016 Finals). And these numbers were also boosted due to the fact that Draymond Green and Andrew Bogut were out of commission due to suspension and injury.

Basketball is a game of matchups and Kevin Love has proven himself to not be effective against the matchups that a healthy Golden State team produces.

[COLOR="Green"]So due to the ineffectiveness of Kevin Love against Golden State due to matchup problems, Golden State of 2016 was more depleted than the Cleveland team of 2015. ([/COLOR]Golden State's best player was compromised. Golden State's best defender missed a crucial close out game. Golden State's rim protector missed 1 and a half games. Golden State's best perimeter defender and previous year's FMVP was extremely disabled for at least one game, more likely two.)

[TommyGriffin]

How did warriorfan type all that out in one minute?

[BedroomBully]

How did warriorfan type all that out in one minute?

LMAO

[BedroomBully]

Kyrie was a huge loss for Cleveland in 2015. However Kevin Love missing in 2015 was not as big of a hindrance as some would think.

If you remember, while both teams were at full strength, Cleveland got blown out twice in a row in games 1 and 2. The first turn of the tide was in game 3 where Cleveland secured their first win, without Kevin Love playing a single minute (Game 3 of the 2016 Finals)

At the end of the 2016 Finals, Kevin Love averaged only 8 points a game on 47% True Shooting (Statistics of the 2016 Finals). And these numbers were also boosted due to the fact that Draymond Green and Andrew Bogut were out of commission due to suspension and injury.

Basketball is a game of matchups and Kevin Love has proven himself to not be effective against the matchups that a healthy Golden State team produces.

[COLOR="Green"]So due to the ineffectiveness of Kevin Love against Golden State due to matchup problems, Golden State of 2016 was more depleted than the Cleveland team of 2015. ([/COLOR]Golden State's best player was compromised. Golden State's best defender missed a crucial close out game. Golden State's rim protector missed 1 and a half games. Golden State's best perimeter defender and previous year's FMVP was extremely disabled for at least one game, more likely two.)

Correct me if im wrong, but didn't GST's big 3 play in game 6 and 7? So you are admitting that this was a 2 against 3 contest right?

[BedroomBully]

Didn't GST have the so called line up of death? Same line up that bailed them out against the Cavs last year? Were Bogut was a non factor?

[warriorfan]

Didn't GST have the so called line up of death? Same line up that bailed them out against the Cavs last year? Were Bogut was a non factor?

Andre Iguodala was injured and ended up going -25 in the on and off numbers


[Quote][I][SIZE="3"]Early in the game, Iguodala had his back worked on during a timeout, and was forced to leave the game for a short period. He returned, but was seen hobbling on the floor. Still, he remained in the contest.

Iguodala, the reigning Finals MVP, has averaged 9.3 points, 4.2 rebounds and 3.8 assists in 31.8 minutes during this year

[Spurs m8]

GS title has a *

Cavs is legit and not only that, goes down as one of the best close outs ever.

Golden State also at this point in time, is the biggest team of chokers literally in NBA history.

Let that sink in for a minute.

WHAT.A.TIME.

Karma Warriorfag, you little ripper

[BedroomBully]

GS title has a *

Cavs is legit and not only that, goes down as one of the best close outs ever.

Golden State also at this point in time, is the biggest team of chokers literally in NBA history.

Let that sink in for a minute.

WHAT.A.TIME.

Karma Warriorfag, you little ripper

LMAO. He keeps avoiding the question like he avoids employment and pooosay. He thinks last years title was legit, but not this year's due to "injuries". Regardless, Klay, Green, and Beta Curry were playing. No excuses! Warriors chocked harder than his mom did on the neighbor's BBC while his dad watched helplessly.

[FKAri]

GS title has a *

Cavs is legit and not only that, goes down as one of the best close outs ever.

Golden State also at this point in time, is the biggest team of chokers literally in NBA history.

Let that sink in for a minute.

WHAT.A.TIME.

Karma Warriorfag, you little ripper

Warriors may have lost, but at least Curry went down fighting putting up a helluva performance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpjtV4qjJBU

[BedroomBully]

Warriors may have lost, but at least Curry went down fighting putting up a helluva performance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpjtV4qjJBU

Jesus what a masterpiece! What a herculean effort on Curry's behalf. The heart of a lion for sure!

[BedroomBully]

Andre Iguodala was injured and ended up going -25 in the on and off numbers




http://www.si.com/nba/2016/06/16/war...e-6-nba-finals

Iggy was A FKN ROLE PLAYER!!! The had plenty of other bodies to replace him. Or your boy Curry couldn't get it done without his safety net this time?

[FKAri]

Iggy was A FKN ROLE PLAYER!!! The had plenty of other bodies to replace him. Or your boy Curry couldn't get it done without his safety net this time?

Curry's teammates let him down. He had no help. Where was Draymond in that final game? Ghost. Curry had to do EVERYTHING.

[warriorfan]

Perhaps the most critical segment of this series came at the end of the third quarter of Game 4, Cleveland cutting the Warriors lead to three. The Q was rocking. The Finals hung in the balance.

Curry calmly called for the ball, shook a defender and drained a three, pushing Golden State to a six-point lead. In a reversal of roles, a gassed LeBron tried to answer with a three of his own at the buzzer, only to miss badly. When James went to the bench to rest at the start of the fourth quarter, the Warriors seized control of the game and the Finals.

Curry finished with 22 that night. He then dropped 37, including 17 in the fourth quarter, in Game 5. On Tuesday, he dropped a couple of massive threes to help stem a fourth-quarter Cleveland surge, then when double-teamed, hit a wide-open Klay Thompson for another.

Not only did Curry average an MVP-like 26 points, 5 rebounds, 6 assists and 2 steals in 43 minutes per game, but as Kerr told his point guard, sometimes a point guard has to put his own game now in favor of managing the game for his teammates.

That is what Curry relayed when he said in the postgame press conference, "The Finals are not that different from normal NBA games. It's just the spotlight is different, and soar are the expectations. When you have an average game, you find out in the Finals that people were expecting more. But really, that stuff doesn't matter. It's all about winning. That's what I've learned. I just need to impact games, be myself every other night, do other things to help my team win and be OK with that. Manage the game from a point-guard standpoint, find a way to win and that's what we did … At the end of the day, stats really don't matter. It really doesn't matter."

This coming from a man who still had 25 points, 6 rebounds and 8 assists in 43 minutes from a Game 6 that he was supposedly managing the game for others, downplaying his own role.

This coming from a man who still scored 156 points in a six-game Finals with a .585 true shooting percentage—a scoring total and efficiency only topped by three players in NBA Finals history (who all also did it coincidentally in six-game series): 1992 Michael Jordan, who scored 215 points with a .617 TSP; 2011 Dwyane Wade, who scored 159 points with a .614 TSP; 1987 Magic Johnson, who scored 157 points with a .590 TSP.

They did it with a wizard, Stephen Curry, at point guard. Curry nailed three key threes in Golden State’s 105-97 Game 6 victory in Cleveland Tuesday night, because that’s what he does. In the clincher, however, the regular-season MVP’s passing stood out. He patiently let the Cavs double-team him far from the basket – what choice did the Cavs have against a guy who can sink shots from Cincinnati? – and hit cutters down the lane. Or flipped one-handed passes down low. Or skipped the ball cross-court, or into the corner, to open three-point shooters. Curry had eight assists. Golden State finished with 13 three-pointers.

Most 4th Quarter Points during the Finals

1995 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5
2000 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5 (61.1% TS)
2015 Stephen Curry 10.8 [COLOR="Green"](75.1% TS)[/COLOR]
1997 Michael Jordan 10.7 (55.1% TS)
1998 Michael Jordan 10.6 (50.6% TS)
2011 Dirk Nowitzki 10.3 (68.0% TS)
1993 Michael Jordan 10.3

2015 Steph Curry had the most clutch performance in NBA history. The only player to score more 4th Quarter Finals points than Steph Curry was Shaquille Oneal, and he didn't even score one point more than Curry while Curry scored 14% more efficiently than Shaquille


In the 2016 Finals he was not able to play as well as he did in 2015

What happened in 2016 that didn't happen in 2015? The major MCL injury

The MCL is one of four ligaments connecting the femur bone to the tibia at the knee. It helps keep the knee stable as it moves from the outside to the inside.

So the lateral movements are going to put pressure on the ligament.

Athletic trainers refer to what’s called a “valgus” position — that’s when the knee is turned inward toward the center of the body, and the MCL stretches to keep the joint stable.

Most people naturally stand in a slight valgus position, meaning they are putting a little pressure on their MCL without even trying. Playing basketball just adds to that stress, especially during quick lateral movements

“That valgus position occurs pretty often in basketball,” said Meredith Petschauer, an exercise and sports science professor at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, “because what you have to do in basketball all the time is plant your foot and turn in a different direction.”

The time table for return of an MCL sprain is 2 to 4 weeks.

(Keep in mind that healing timetable is for every day activity, nothing more strenuous than walking up one flight of stairs, NOT playing professional basketball)

Stephen Curry returned from the injury after only 2 weeks because the Warriors were struggling against Portland without him.

Stephen Curry re-aggravated his knee injury by coming back too early and then playing 40+ minutes of playoff basketball plus overtime in his record setting performance against Portland.


Therefore we can conclude that Curry's MCL injury was the differentiating factor which lowered Curry's production

[Spurs m8]

Curry's teammates let him down. He had no help. Where was Draymond in that final game? Ghost. Curry had to do EVERYTHING.