What was the Donovan Mitchell hype about?

[Xiao Yao You]

He played pretty well for a second year player..

It's not his fault the jazz have no real scorers, and a useless pg pubio..
If they get a pg who doesn't air ball 3s and someone else who can score then watch out next year..
Gobert is a stud, ingles always plays hard same with crowder..

not to mention a modern 4 not their twin tower. Don't forget Dante will be back too!

[tpols]

Look at how awful the jazz spacing is... Favors, Rubio, Gobert, and a naturally gun shy ingles. Worst spacing in the league makes it easy to gang up on the only all star talent. The rest of the team can barely dribble the ball.

[Callystarr]

Get donovan some help and watch him blossom. Dude is responsible for 85 percent of their offense. Nobody on their WHOLE ENTIRE roster can create their own shot consistently. Rubio was suppose to revolutionize the pg position but he is average at best. Rudy gobert is a roll of tissue on stilts. Dude always looks so flimsy and fraile and he catches the ball like he is scared half of the time. Thank God he was blessed with height,if he was 6'6 he wouldnt even be in the league and thats saying a lot.

Get donovan a pg that can shoot....and get him someone like trevor ariza to team up with on the wings on defense and can knock down 3s.

Agreed, and take better shots.

[Callystarr]

Lol the guy's in his second playoffs. Last year he stood toe to toe with Westbrook. Jesus H Christ some of you guys overreact .

right.

[90sgoat]

Low IQ people like point guards who can dunk.

[Callystarr]

Look at how awful the jazz spacing is... Favors, Rubio, Gobert, and a naturally gun shy ingles. Worst spacing in the league makes it easy to gang up on the only all star talent. The rest of the team can barely dribble the ball.

Awful spacing?

[Xiao Yao You]

Awful spacing?

yep. No one is afraid of anyone on the perimeter so they can concentrate on stopping Rudy and Mitchell. But at least they are nice guys! Bring everyone back again. If they had Dante and Kyle and you throw the first two games out the window they might just be world champs!

[Hey Yo]

Kobe never shot that badly at 20+ attempts for his entire Playoffs career. You can only find Kobe shooting worse than 18% at age 18-19 and that's when he took 6-7 shots in garbage time.

There's nothing worse than 2/18 for Lebron with 10 TOs, I think only Harden's topped that.

Errrrr........ wrong again.

https://www.basketball-reference.com...006160IND.html

[Xiao Yao You]

Errrrr........ wrong again.

https://www.basketball-reference.com...006160IND.html

and let's not forget the 2 straight sweeps to the aging Jazz and all those air balls from the young gunner Kobe

[NuggetsFan]

I think part of the problem for Mitchell besides the obvious spacing issues is nobody concentrates on stopping Gobert on the offensive end. Gobert is there best player but offensively Gobert is just throwing down dunks and finishing plays that are created for him. If a team makes it difficult to create those plays, Gobert can't create anything himself. He averaged 11 points vs Houston.

I don't think you stop Gobert on offense, you stop the plays that lead to him getting those easy looks because once he gets the ball in those positions it's pretty much game over which is evident by his FG%.

Mitchell's offensive load is just waaaay too big. He was taking almost 10 more shots than anybody on there roster in the playoffs. There's nobody to take the pressure off. Mitchell needs a legitimate 2nd option on offense that can space the floor. If Utah had that + Gobert finishing plays/setting screens I think Mitchell's efficiency would increase. 22 FGA is just way too much for him but your not going to ask guys like Rubio, Crowder, Gobert to shoot 16 times a game on a every night basis.

[Xiao Yao You]

I think part of the problem for Mitchell besides the obvious spacing issues is nobody concentrates on stopping Gobert on the offensive end. Gobert is there best player but offensively Gobert is just throwing down dunks and finishing plays that are created for him. If a team makes it difficult to create those plays, Gobert can't create anything himself. He averaged 11 points vs Houston.

I don't think you stop Gobert on offense, you stop the plays that lead to him getting those easy looks because once he gets the ball in those positions it's pretty much game over which is evident by his FG%.

Mitchell's offensive load is just waaaay too big. He was taking almost 10 more shots than anybody on there roster in the playoffs. There's nobody to take the pressure off. Mitchell needs a legitimate 2nd option on offense that can space the floor. If Utah had that + Gobert finishing plays/setting screens I think Mitchell's efficiency would increase. 22 FGA is just way too much for him but your not going to ask guys like Rubio, Crowder, Gobert to shoot 16 times a game on a every night basis.

They do try to stop Rudy. It's easy to do when you don't have to guard the other 3 players on the court. Rudy put up over 17 a game at the end of Hayward's last season when Favors was benched because of injuries and Joe Johnson and Diaw on their last legs took the minutes at the 4. Imagine what a modern 4 in his prime would do. That was the blueprint and what did the Jazz do? Replace Hill with Rubio. Move Favors back into the starting line up and make Hood their go to guy!

[NuggetsFan]

They do try to stop Rudy. It's easy to do when you don't have to guard the other 3 players on the court. Rudy put up over 17 a game at the end of Hayward's last season when Favors was benched because of injuries and Joe Johnson and Diaw on their last legs took the minutes at the 4. Imagine what a modern 4 in his prime would do. That was the blueprint and what did the Jazz do? Replace Hill with Rubio. Move Favors back into the starting line up and make Hood their go to guy!

Why would teams focus on Rudy tho? He's not creating for himself. Your focusing on guarding the plays that lead to the chances for Rudy. Teams are far more focused on Mitchell for example. You can't really stop Rudy once Utah has created a look for him. He's dunking it in your face, your fouling him, or hoping he misses. 81% of his looks came within 0-3 feet. He shoots 74% within 0-3 feet vs 36% from 3-10 feet, .125 from 10-16 feet. Basically when you face Utah if you can stop guys creating for Gobert, you throw everything at Mitchell, and bet that the other players won't

I agree alot with what your saying. I think if Utah had a legitimate 2nd option on offense it would make life alot easier for everyone. Right now Mitchell just has to be the 1st option on offense with nobody else that can create for themselves. The second a team starts shutting down the Jazz's offense it's basically like give Mitchell the ball and best of luck. Gobert is a great offensive player with finishing/screens but Utah absolutely needs another guy that can do some of the stuff Mitchell does on offense for them.

[StrongLurk]

Agree with OP, I argued with a lot of posters last year. Never saw the reason for DMitch hype.

[Xiao Yao You]

Why would teams focus on Rudy tho? He's not creating for himself. Your focusing on guarding the plays that lead to the chances for Rudy. Teams are far more focused on Mitchell for example. You can't really stop Rudy once Utah has created a look for him. He's dunking it in your face, your fouling him, or hoping he misses. 81% of his looks came within 0-3 feet. He shoots 74% within 0-3 feet vs 36% from 3-10 feet, .125 from 10-16 feet. Basically when you face Utah if you can stop guys creating for Gobert, you throw everything at Mitchell, and bet that the other players won't

I agree alot with what your saying. I think if Utah had a legitimate 2nd option on offense it would make life alot easier for everyone. Right now Mitchell just has to be the 1st option on offense with nobody else that can create for themselves. The second a team starts shutting down the Jazz's offense it's basically like give Mitchell the ball and best of luck. Gobert is a great offensive player with finishing/screens but Utah absolutely needs another guy that can do some of the stuff Mitchell does on offense for them.

You have to focus on him or he will get an easy dunk. Vertical spacing. A big part of Houston's problems were Capela not being 100%. Forced Harden into the floater and Capela wasn't able to kill them like last year. If you can space the floor you give the opponent the choice of Mitchell, Gobert or the corner 3. There's no need to create for him. It comes with the spacing. The other team chooses their poison. For Houston their poison was making someone other than Mitchell, Gobert or Inges hurt them and that's been the approach against them for two years. It's not rocket science.

[NuggetsFan]

You have to focus on him or he will get an easy dunk. Vertical spacing. A big part of Houston's problems were Capela not being 100%. Forced Harden into the floater and Capela wasn't able to kill them like last year. If you can space the floor you give the opponent the choice of Mitchell, Gobert or the corner 3. There's no need to create for him. It comes with the spacing. The other team chooses their poison. For Houston their poison was making someone other than Mitchell, Gobert or Inges hurt them and that's been the approach against them for two years. It's not rocket science.

That's not how it works tho. You don't just give Gobert the ball and say dunk it. He'll have a defender on him. Sure on some possessions and with certain matchups it'll occasionally works but alot of Gobert's points will come when a guard breaks down the defense. Like a Utah guard getting into the paint, a help defender coming over, and than that guard getting Gobert the ball with some space to throw it down. Gobert setting a screen and rolling to the basket and the defense being worried about the guard and than Gobert getting an easy look. Like if Harden/Gobert played together it would be terrifying.

So you sell out to stop Mitchell, you try and shutdown Utah creating easy looks for Gobert to finish, and than you bet that nobody else on the roster will beat you. If Utah had a legitimate 2nd option on offense rather than a collection of role players that's far more difficult to do.

Gobert is there best player, but Mitchell is the only legitimate non role player on offense. Gobert's impact on offense goes far above role player on offense due to how good he is but he's dependent on other players. Just in terms of skill sets .. Utah has one guy with the ability to create for himself/others consistently. Ingles is the second closest, and really good. Rubio can create for others, but not himself.