Make no mistake, the Cavs are still an absolute trash without LeBron

[Trollsmasher]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...E/2017/on-off/

LeBron's on/off: +26.8
Kyrie: -22.7
Love: -21.9

This is a lottery team without him

GOAT impact

[scuzzy]

Good. God.

[CuhGetsBucks]

Damn

[toneloc103]

Thank you for your information....

[Bankaii]

I don't think it's as bad as the stats indicate.
Outside of that absolutely horrid last game, Kyrie has been pretty freaking good and efficient. Love has been solid too.

They still clearly need Lebron to get out of the East, but these stats aren't accurate if you watch the games.

[CTbasketball92]

I don't think it's as bad as the stats indicate.
Outside of that absolutely horrid last game, Kyrie has been pretty freaking good and efficient. Love has been solid too.

They still clearly need Lebron to get out of the East, but these stats aren't accurate if you watch the games.

Yeah I think the one game screwed things up, and we'd need a bigger sample size .. maybe 23 games. In my opinion, they're still a top 4 Eastern Conference team with LeBron gone, they'd just need time to get used to playing without him.

Kyrie and Love have been good so far. Love is playing much better than he did last year by using the midrange/midpost so far, and once he fully finds his 3ball again, watch out. Kyrie looks like he could average about 25 4 and 4 this year on good efficiency, and he seems like he's trying on D. Love is definitely picking it up on the defensive end.

[egokiller]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...E/2017/on-off/

LeBron's on/off: +26.8
Kyrie: -22.7
Love: -21.9

This is a lottery team without him

GOAT impact

Nope. Let's assume Lebron grew some balls and went to play in the west.

Lebron = $31 million

Cavs team with adjustments - Lebron + $31 million = ECF and most likely finals.

They would simply use that money for another star/s and form the team to compliment that replacement player/s strengths. To put it into perspective, AD is around $21 mil, Kawhi is around $18 mil. They could pick up a player like that and still have $10 mil to play with still putting them as the best team in the east. They have plenty of trading power also to make the new peices work. This isn't the 2007 Cavs roster.....they have the dealiest 24 year old finals performer in the league.

[Hey Yo]

Nope. Let's assume Lebron grew some balls and went to play in the west.

Lebron = $31 million

Cavs team with adjustments - Lebron + $31 million = ECF and most likely finals.

They would simply use that money for another star/s and form the team to compliment that replacement player/s strengths. To put it into perspective, AD is around $21 mil, Kawhi is around $18 mil. They could pick up a player like that and still have $10 mil to play with still putting them as the best team in the east. They have plenty of trading power also to make the new peices work. This isn't the 2007 Cavs roster.....they have the dealiest 24 year old finals performer in the league.

They couldn't get players like that when James was there.....why would they all of a sudden get talent like that w/o him?

There's a reason why no high end FA's have ever signed with Cleveland before James came back in 2014. Nobody wants to play there.

[Trollsmasher]

this is only going to get worse

[jbryan1984]

Oh please. Kyrie and Love are averaging 20 ppg with LeBron playing. Kyrie is a legitimate candidate for best point guard in the league at this point. He gets better literally every year. CP3 is probably still the best point guard overall on both ends. But guys like RB and Curry, Kyrie cannot be too far off if not even to both those guys, even to the blindest fan.

[Bankaii]

Nope. Let's assume Lebron grew some balls and went to play in the west.

Lebron = $31 million

Cavs team with adjustments - Lebron + $31 million = ECF and most likely finals.

They would simply use that money for another star/s and form the team to compliment that replacement player/s strengths. To put it into perspective, AD is around $21 mil, Kawhi is around $18 mil. They could pick up a player like that and still have $10 mil to play with still putting them as the best team in the east. They have plenty of trading power also to make the new peices work. This isn't the 2007 Cavs roster.....they have the dealiest 24 year old finals performer in the league.

There's a couple things here that you don't understand that makes you look really dumb.
1) I don't know how some of you still don't understand the salary cap increase with the new deal after it has been explained so many times.
Davis/Leonard are worth wayyyy more than their current contracts. If they tested FA, they'd be in the same ball park as Lebron. For instance AD's new extension is right at 30 mil if I remember correctly.
2) In the modern era, the Cavs have gotten one transcendent talent, Lebron, and he was drafted. The Cavs have NEVER had a major FA signing post MJ.
So now all of a sudden Kawhi would leave the Spurs or AD would go to shitty Cleveland? No. They'd sign a bunch of trash role players and not even make it out the East.

Seriously educate yourself before you speak on things you have no understanding of.

[Real14]

Mods?

[SouBeachTalents]

Mods?

This fakkit always cries to the mods even though he makes the most retarded threads on the forum

[Real14]

This fakkit always cries to the mods even though he makes the most retarded threads on the forum

Yall wade Stans who are also Bron Stans need to get off my dick already.

[Trollsmasher]

Oh please. Kyrie and Love are averaging 20 ppg with LeBron playing. Kyrie is a legitimate candidate for best point guard in the league at this point. He gets better literally every year. CP3 is probably still the best point guard overall on both ends. But guys like RB and Curry, Kyrie cannot be too far off if not even to both those guys, even to the blindest fan.

yeah, but as on/off shows those are mostly empty stats