Reggie Miller VS Ray Allen

[Kiddlovesnets]

Ray Allen = Poor man's Reggie Miller.

[KayHaven]

Reggie

Ray has never been the #1 guy on any of his teams.

F*CK how could we forget Ray got to play with the HOF front court of Jerome James and Reggie Evans while in Seattle

[andgar923]

Either people don't remember or didn't watch REggie play.

There's certain aspects that Ray is better at no doubt about that. But people always have the misconception that Reggie was solely a catch and shoot player, when he wasn't.

I mentioned this on another thread and I'll mention this again (specially since this thread is made because of me).

The way Kobe's offensive game has evolved into, is very similar to how Reggie played.

Tons of step backs, up and unders, curls, fadeaways, pull ups, etc.etc.

Obviously, Kobe is the better player but their offensive game isn't as apart as some would think. What made Reggie such a dangerous scorer was his shot which you had to respect. He had a very quick trigger and had a high release point that made it difficult to challenge. And although he was skinny, he had amazing stamina for a player his size. He could post you up better than most players today and was still very dangerous with the ball in his hands because he was smart/crafty and had good footwork (UCLA old school). While his defense wasn't Payton level, he was tough and had long arms (he was also anchored by a great front court).

As far as who would you take in your team? that's a toss up depending on your team's needs. Ray is more athletic and a better playmaker. Then again, Reggie was never really asked to be a playmaker, so honestly we don't really know how well he could've been as a playmaker.

But in today's game, with today's rules and style of play, Reggie's game would shine even more than it did because the entire environment caters to him.

You have multiple players on teams shooting 3-5 3pt shots per game, this was unheard of back then. He was also smart enough to know how to penetrate and get to the line. One of the 'flopping' godfathers, he'd be averaging around 9-11 FTA per game.

And like some may have already mentioned, Reggie's intangibles may take him over the edge over Ray. Along with Reggie's better post up game.

[andgar923]

Pleeeeeasssee.... for Ray Allens game/gamestyle to exist there had to be Reggie Miller and hence Reggie Miller has to come first, he is the ORIGINAL.. the best one....
Ray has said (and Rip Hamilton) multiple times that he patterned his game after Reggie, that he "stole" all Reggies moves especially of the ball movement, screen tricks, how to get open and so on... Reggie was by extremly far the best of the ball/screen abusing/catch n shoot player in basketball history, Michael Jordan has said that to... you will never see somebody as good as him in that department, he had so many tricks up his sleeve to get open, running around and around like a marathon runner, grabbing his own teammate who set the screen to lever himself around him at the opposite side, hesitating all over the court between the screens/players in and out, left, right, up, down, spin, flop, spin, frustrate you, using your own teammates as screens, exhaust you, spit at you, hit a J over and over, trashtalk and so on... it was freakin scientific, it was ART watching him work without the ball...

There is a reason Kobe said: "Reggie is the hardest player i ever had to guard".. and that says alot considering he did guard Michael Jordan aswell..

For you who say Ray Allen was a more complete player, watch some of Reggies games when he was in his athletic prime from 1987-1992, you know, the fade Reggie... he was very quick, fast, deceptive, dunking on everybody, creating his own baskets over and over and was a better man to man defender than Ray Allen during that time aswell....

Reggie was also a MUCH better clutch player, Ray Allen is great in that department, but what Reggie did was matched ONLY by Michael Jordan & Larry Bird..........

Last but not least, when talking about shooting... Reggie was a better shooter because Reggie was a much more versatile shooter, he had a better shooting arsenal....... Ray Allen is more of a set shooter/standstill shooter, with that i mean he is not comfortable taking of balance shots, infact Ray Allen is a very bad of balance shooter (notice that next time you see him play during any time of his career).......... Ray Allen wants to go straight UP and shoulders/body faced towards the rim at all times when he shoots during any situation......... but Reggie? [COLOR="Red"]Reggie basically made his shots at that ridicilous percentage from any god damn range taking Kobe Bryant / Michael Jordan type of fadeaway/of balance shots.... Reggie made his shots however you wanted it, runners, floaters, hooks, left handed-right handed, skoops, you name it....
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This is for the same exact reason Larry Bird was also a better shooter than Ray Allen.......

Most people forget or don't know this.

They mad he was a more versatile scorer then Bron, Wade and Durant. Possibly only Kobe today is a more skilled and multi dimensional scorer.

[andgar923]

Reggie Miller was natural born killer. He was still killing it at old age. He was 34 years old when he led his team to finals. 24 ppg during playoffs including 24.3 ppg in finals.

He killed Ray Allen in 2000 playoffs in 5th game (back then it was 5 game series)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eOuUO0lif4

Reggie : 41 points (%60)
Allen: 18 points (%27)

Pacers : 3 Bucks : 2

ONLY Kobe, Melo (to some degree) and perhaps Durant could do some of the stuff he did in that vid.

Rip and Ray are good using the screens and moving without the ball, but don't have the same game with the ball. Ray is more explosive to the rim, but can't hit you up with all those jab steps and post game (mainly cause he was smaller).

[Calabis]

F*CK how could we forget Ray got to play with the HOF front court of Jerome James and Reggie Evans while in Seattle

Lol...Ray Allen never carried a team like Reggie did, nor does he have the clutch playoff moments.....Ray Allen may have been more well rounded in terms of athleticism, but lets quit acting like Ray Allen was somehow better than Reggie.....90% of this board saw 30+ year old Reggie....cuz dude would go to the hole and create his own shot on the regular....not many better one dribble, create space pull up jumper guys then Reggie

[Shepseskaf]

He was the man on some pretty poor Sonics/Bucks teams though.

No, that's not true at all. The '00-'01 Bucks almost played for the championship. They had that epic 7-game series against AI and the Sixers in the EC Finals. It was classic, Ray and AI going back and forth.

In '04-'05, the Sonics went six games in the second round with the eventual champion Spurs.

In '98-'99 and '99-'00, the Bucks at least made the playoffs, but didn't make it past the first round.

That's three respectable years, and one potential championship year. Not that I think they would have taken the Lakers, but still..... can't say they were a "poor team".

[RaininTwos]

Ray allen is just as clutch as Reggie Miller.

[Calabis]

ONLY Kobe, Melo (to some degree) and perhaps Durant could do some of the stuff he did in that vid.

Rip and Ray are good using the screens and moving without the ball, but don't have the same game with the ball. Ray is more explosive to the rim, but can't hit you up with all those jab steps and post game (mainly cause he was smaller).

No one from the 90's is better than these guys current heroes....its a Damn shame when Kobe says just 2 years ago at his camp on video, that Reggie Miller was the hardest guy he's ever had to guard, because how crafty he is and how he creates foul calls....yet that was past ur prime Reggie he faced...somehow on ISH...no way u can be better in ur prime years.....oops my bad only there current heroes are better in there prime....Reggie was not better at 24-28 and how dare u believe that Reggie could avg 3 more points a game, in a league with more 3 point shooting and favorable perimeter rules

[Calabis]

Ray allen is just as clutch as Reggie Miller.

Yeah ok

[Dro]

Ray allen is just as clutch as Reggie Miller.

[Dro]

Ray allen is just as clutch as Reggie Miller.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDSF8otJH8Y

[jalbert009]

Reggie

Ray has never been the #1 guy on any of his teams.

I think he was the clear cut franchise player on his sonics team and lead them to the WCF in 2004-2005 Season.

From 2004-2007 Ray Averaged about 24-26PPG / 4RPG / 4APG
The next best player was Rashard Lewis who was a 22PPG/6RPG guy.

With the Bucks he you could argue he was the best.
Ray Allen- 21.8PPG / 4.5RPG / 3.8APG
Glenn Robinson - 20.7PPG / 6.2RPG
Sam Cassell - 19.7PPG / 4.2RPG / 6.7APG
Gary Payton 19.6PPG / 7.4APG

And back on to the topic, Ray>Reggie.
Ray is a more complete player.

[Shepseskaf]

Yeah ok

People are seriously selling Ray short in the clutch category. Reggie's last minute shots, particularly on the biggest stages like MSG, are more legendary, but Ray is plenty clutch.

If I'm on an opposing team, I don't want to see either of them going up for a shot in the last seconds.

[Dro]

We're not just talking last second shots...we're talking about being clutch through entire playoff series...multiple clutch shots in the same game...clutch sequences..I mean the guy dunks on the entire Nets team, sends the game to OT, hits a bank 3 to send it to double OT, I don't even remember the sequence, he was doing so much...