Lebron fans: this response shuts down "1-9" nonsense

[Smoke117]

Why did Jordan's first 3 rings require 30% more PPG in the playoffs than Lebron, with equal assists???????

Answer:

1) Inferior cast (no all-star teammates in first 5 playoff runs seasons, while Lebron had 2)

2) Tough Conference (mj defeated twice the 50-win teams as Lebron in playoffs and the 80's East is widely known as toughest conference ever)

Seriously...what is wrong with you? You have bene arguing the same thing for a year straight...making the same threads for a year straight...give it a rest. It's the off season now...but you will STILL be making these stupid ass threads while were actually discussing the present season because you haven't even ****ing watched basketball in 5 years. Anytime you bring up Lebron or Jordan you should instantly be banned till you can behave like a normal human being.

[GrapeApe]

For the record, being an all-star doesn't make you a top 3 player at your position in the conference. In 2009 Mo Williams was 9th among eastern PG's in PER. His all-star selection was 100% due to Cleveland's record, which was almost entirely due to Lebron. He was never an all-star before or after that season.

I do agree that the 1-9 stuff is stupid, but there's no reason to use equally stupid logic to try to prove it.

[3ball]

Why do you spend so much time researching a topic with these bullshit numbers when you won't even take the time to watch more than some incredibly misleading highlights and read some stats? You're like a senile old man who reads the papers and thinks he knows about this generation and how his was so much better.

The combined playoff stats from Jordan's first 3 rings show 30% higher PPG and equal assists to Lebron's stats from his 3 rings:



PER GAME

[COLOR="DarkRed"]Jordan 91, 92, 93 Playoffs:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 33.7 ppg.. 6.4 rpg.. 6.6 apg.. 2.8 tov.. 49.7 fg.. 57.2 ts.. 120 ortg.. 29.5 PER[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Navy"]Lebron 12, 13, 16 Playoffs:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 27.2 ppg.. 9.2 rpg.. 7.2 apg.. 3.4 tov.. 51.0 fg.. 58.1 ts.. 117 ortg.. 29.2 PER[/COLOR]

PER 100 POSSESSIONS

[COLOR="DarkRed"]Jordan 91, 92, 93 Playoffs:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 44.5 pts.. [COLOR="White"]Ii[/COLOR]8.4 reb.. 8.7 ast.. 3.8 tov.. 49.7 fg.. 57.2 ts.. 120 ortg.. 29.5 PER[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Navy"]Lebron 12, 13, 16 Playoffs:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 36.1 pts.. 10.2 reb.. 8.7 ast.. 4.4 tov.. 51.0 fg.. 58.1 ts.. 117 ortg.. 29.2 PER[/COLOR]

.. MJ was required to score 30% more for his rings with [COLOR="DarkGreen"]EQUAL assists[/COLOR].

See the full playoff and Finals stats of each player thru 31 years old here



[COLOR="Red"]SOURCES[/COLOR]:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...yoffs_per_game
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...jamesle01.html

[MP.Trey]

I like how everytime 3ball makes a thread that blatantly lies to serve his agenda, he gets called out for it, edits his original post to an even more arbitrary stat and acts like nothing ever happened.

[AirBonner]

1-9

[3ball]

For the record, being an all-star doesn't make you a top 3 player at your position in the conference. In 2009 Mo Williams was 9th among eastern PG's in PER. His all-star selection was 100% due to Cleveland's record, which was almost entirely due to Lebron. He was never an all-star before or after that season.

Mo Williams was voted an alternate, so that means he was the 3rd or 4th rated point guard in the conference, as voted on by the coaches... I'll take their collective word over yours.. sorry bud

Btw, alongside Lebron, Mo Williams averaged 16-17 ppg with 5-6 apg, and also 40% three-point shooting... That's good enough for all-star in a lot of seasons, especially during the last 10 years in the weak-ass East.

So i'll state the facts again - young Lebron played in a weak conference and had two different 2nd options that were all-stars, whereas Jordan had played in a tough conference with no all-stars.. Jordan's tougher situation explains why his first 3 rings required 30% more scoring in the playoffs than Lebron's 3 rings, with equal assists.

[ralph_i_el]

Mo Williams was the 7th guard chosen as an all-star that year. He was the second I jury replacement. That means he was like the 17th best player in the east that year. Big Z was all star level for two years in a year where the east was thin of choices.

[3ball]

I like how everytime 3ball makes a thread that blatantly lies to serve his agenda, he gets called out for it, edits his original post to an even more arbitrary stat and acts like nothing ever happened.

I fixed the OP again - now it's flawless

And you never responded to the stats that I just posted - the combined playoff stats for Jordan's first 3 rings show 30% higher PPG and equal assists to Lebron's 3 rings.. Thru 31 years old, their overall playoff stats show the same thing.

Why did was Jordan required to do so much more?... Answer: weaker supporting cast and tougher conference, as explained in the OP
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[3ball]

Mo Williams was the 7th guard chosen as an all-star that year.

7 total guards means there were about 3 POINT guards.

So Mo was a top 3-4 point guard in the conference, as voted on by the [COLOR="DarkRed"]coaches[/COLOR].. I'll take their [COLOR="DarkRed"]collective word[/COLOR] over yours.

Big Z was all star level for two years in a year where the east was thin of choices.

Zydrunas was an all-star in Lebron's 2nd season by averaging 17/9 with 2.0 blk, yet Lebron [COLOR="DarkRed"]missed[/COLOR] the playoffs!

So don't compare this guy to Jordan - Jordan never missed the playoffs despite not having all-star teammates, and the instant he got just 1 all-star teammate, he took the champs 7 games in ECF and then went 6/6..

Ultimately, MJ was 6/6 with ONE all-star, while Lebron is 3/7 with SIX.

Btw, Zydrunas was still averaging 13/8 with 1.4 blocks in 2009 when he was a 3rd option on the 1-seeded Cavs, with all-star Mo Williams as the 2nd option.. This is FAR better than Jordan's 1989 cast, when the 3rd option was nobody Sam Vincent and the 2nd option was sophomore Pippen's 14/6/3 (only 10/5 in ECF).. Nonetheless, this rag-tag 6th seed took the champion Pistons to 6 games in ECF, while Lebron's more-stacked 1 seed fell to Dwight's lowly Magic.

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[AirBonner]

Why do you talk about Lebron so much in threads about Jordan?

[FKAri]

1-9. What a loser

He'd suck in the modern era. Just another Wilt. Dominated scrubs like Mitch Richmond

He stole money from the league and transitioned nicely into clothing and footwear. A smart business man

[SouBeachTalents]

The real question is don't you have anything better to do than to defend the honour of a billionaire who doesn't know you exist?

[BedroomBully]

Still

During Jordan's first 5 seasons, none of his 2nd options were anywhere NEAR top 3 players at their position (all-stars), and the Eastern Conference was the toughest it's ever been.

Otoh, during Lebron's first 5 seasons, two of his 2nd options were all-stars and his conference was all-time weak.

So MJ's 1-9 is explained by a weak supporting cast in a tough conference (imagine the current Sixers cast in the WESTERN conference), and this tougher situation also explains why his first 3 rings required 30% more PPG in the playoffs than Lebron, with equal assists.

No excuses!!! As the all-time greatest, he should have gotten them over the hump!

[3ball]

No excuses!!! As the all-time greatest, he should have gotten them over the hump!

He did - in 1989, the 47-win Bulls would've missed the 45-win playoff cut without Jordan's 33/8/8..

So without Jordan, the 1989 Bulls were a lottery roster, that Jordan led to ECF and 6 games with the champion Pistons in ECF, and also a 3-peat beginning just 2 years later in 1991 (exact same roster)..

That's the goat impact on a lottery team and the very DEFINITION of getting a team of "over the hump".

[TheWinningFam]

He did - in 1989, the 47-win Bulls would've missed the 45-win playoff cut without Jordan's 33/8/8..

So without Jordan, the 1989 Bulls were a lottery roster, that Jordan led to ECF and 6 games with the champion Pistons in ECF, and also a 3-peat beginning just 2 years later in 1991 (exact same roster)..

That's the goat impact on a lottery team and the very DEFINITION of getting a team of "over the hump".

Why did the bulls in jordan's second year only lose 4 more games with jordan missing almost the entire season with an injury, and still made the playoffs.D espite supposodley having a weaker supporting cast and tougher competition.