Worst championship supporting casts

[Magic 32]

Kenyon Martin has gotten severely underrated in recent years. He was a stud, and better than any of Duncan's teammates in 03 -- he was a 20/10 player at that point. Are you seriously taking negative impact Parker over him, or am I just reading your post wrong?

Kenyon Martin went to the west and was exposed for what he was.

[imnew09]

most Kobe's 2010 teammates retired/ jobless at the moment.

[jcsrplumply]

Rick Barry

[houston]

Easy 03 Spurs were the worst championship supporting cast in the past 20 years. They had to go through Kobe and Shaq get to the Finals. Even though they had Spurs twin towers.

The Rockets competition was easy during that run. Hakeem and Thorpe basically over power the other teams frontlines and Knicks had a worse squad than the Rockets built the same way.

But Rick Barry wins this by a landslide.

@ people saying Lebron Wade still gave that dude 20,4.5 and Bosh gave him near double double in 2013.

[Soundwave]

2013 NBA Finals:

LeBron: 25.3 PPG, .447% FG
Wade: 19.6 PPG, .476% FG
Bosh: 12 PPG, 9RPG, 46% FG

1997 NBA Finals:

Jordan: 32.3 PPG, 7 RPG .456% FG
Pippen: 20 PPG, 42% FG
Rodman: 2.3 PPG, 7.7 RPG

1998 NBA Finals:

Jordan: 33.5 PPG
Pippen: 15.7 PPG
Rodman: 3.3 PPG, 8 RPG


LeBron-Stans: Quit your f*cking whining. There was plenty of talent on Miami to win, Rodman was hot garbage the last two NBA Final wins (MJ almost equalled his rebound production in '97), Pippen was good but he was playing hurt in the '98 Finals too, no b*tching, no complaining, everyone just got the job done.

[TheMarkMadsen]

2012 Heat is up there minus Bosh.

Regular season

Wade: 23/5/5/2/1 on 50%

Bosh: 18/8/2/1/1 on 49%

Playoffs:

Wade: 23/5/4/2/1 on 46%

Bosh: 14/8 on 49%

Finals:

Wade: 23/6/5/2/1 on 44%

Bosh: 15/9 on 45%

Battier: 12/3 on 85% TS


That's a top 5 worst supporting cast ever??

[Kvnzhangyay]

Regular season

Wade: 23/5/5/2/1 on 50%

Bosh: 18/8/2/1/1 on 49%

Playoffs:

Wade: 23/5/4/2/1 on 46%

Bosh: 14/8 on 49%

Finals:

Wade: 23/6/5/2/1 on 44%

Bosh: 15/9 on 45%

Battier: 12/3 on 85% TS


That's a top 5 worst supporting cast ever??

He probably meant 2013, which definetely has a case

[Nowitness]

We are talking about the supporting cast, not Lebron or Duncan nor their competition. Wade and Bosh were both shit in the playoffs. Wade was huge liability for most of the finals. He killed the whole spacing. Bosh got raped by every big.
Birdman shot well because Lebron set him up under the rim. He never created anything for himself.
And stop cherry picking stats. What were Allen s stats for the whole playoffs?

I think it is pretty important who you face. In comparison to the scrubs Le2/5 went through to make the finals they fact that his team was worse than Duncan's in 03 is of less importance (ala if he were in the West in 03 he'd be a second round exit, if 03 spurs were in the East in 13 they'd sweep there way to a title...).

[SamuraiSWISH]

1998 NBA Finals:

Jordan: 33.5 PPG
Pippen: 15.7 PPG
Rodman: 3.3 PPG, 8 RPG

Was going to mention this one. 1998 Bulls team was old, tired, injured, and weak. 35 year old Jordan willed them to the second three peat.

[Soundwave]

Was going to mention this one. 1998 Bulls team was old, tired, injured, and weak. 35 year old Jordan willed them to the second three peat.

Before someone jumps down my throat ... Pippen did play well in that series, but he was injured for the last two games, could barely walk.

Bulls still win. No f*cking excuses. To quote Sean Connery in The Rock:

Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and f*ck the prom queen!

[SHAQisGOAT]

OP's just a troll.

I'd probably say Barry in 1975, Hakeem in 1994 or even Walton in 1977 (not gonna mention the competition here).

Still no man wins a title by himself or remotely close, those teams were constructed around those best players' strengths and the teammates also had to contribute while playing well and with the team as the ultimate "goal". And it evens goes beyond the stats, like, say, in 1975 the Warriors were playing some great defense, rebounding really well, showing lots of heart and gritt, playing for the team, it wasn't just Barry going completely ham, even though he was crazy.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

How are ppl saying Blazers? That team had incredible ball movement and it wasnt just Walton he anchored the defense but they had a ton of capable offensive players
+ Mo Lucas was a 20/10/3 power forward with rugged D and a solid jumper

[SHAQisGOAT]

Oh, and how about Larry Bird in the 1984 Playoffs? Mentioned little in "things" like these.

People overlook it much but while Bird was going ham, the vast majority of the other Celtics were playing well below their standards, for a team that had gone 62-20 in the regular-season (mostly because of Larry though)...

-Parish scored 4 less PPG on 7% less from the field, playing 2 more MPG and only with 0.1 RPG more
-McHale scored 3.6 less PPG on 5% less from the floor
-DJ scored 3 more PPG on 3% less from the field, playing 3 more MPG
-Maxwell played more minutes but only scored the same and on 3% less from the floor
-Henderson scored 1 more ppg but on 4% less FG%
......
Bird raised his PPG and overall efficiency CONSIDERABLY, even his RPG, SPG and BPG.
Larry scored 10 more PPG than the Celtics' next best scorer, which was DJ shooting 40.4% from the field.

During those Playoffs, Bird led the team in:
-PPG (4th in the league)
-RPG (5th in the league)
-APG
-SPG
-MPG
-total points (1st in the league)
-total rebounds (1st in the league)
-total assists (2nd in the league)
-total steals (1st in the league)
-FG%
-FT%
-TS%
-eFG%
-PER (2nd in the league)
-ORtg
-DRtg
-OWS (1st in the league)
-DWS (1st in the league)
-WS (1st in the league)
-WS/48 (1st in the league)

And was 3rd in blocks and in 3P% with more 3's taken.



You can say all you want about the minutes played and whatnot, but be reminded that he was out there most of the time in some really physical/gruelsome series... That's tough af, especially still having the most and better productivity.


Looking at some advanced stats between Bird and the 2nd best Celtic:

TS%
Bird - .607
Maxwell - .604

eFG%
Bird - .532
McHale - .504

ORtg
Bird - 120
McHale/Maxwell - 118

DRtg
Bird - 103
Parish - 105

OWS
Bird - 3.0
McHale - 1.4

DWS
Bird - 1.7
Parish - 1.3

WS
Bird - 4.7
McHale - 2.1

WS/48
Bird - .236
Carr - .145

PER
Bird - 26.3
McHale - 16.3


As far as FG%:

Bird - 52.4%
DJ/Parish/McHale/Henderson/Maxwell combined (ones scoring over 10 ppg) - 46.9%
All of the Celtics' players combined, excluding Bird - 45.8%


In the Finals it was more of the same, yet recently someone made a list of the top10 most valuable Finals performances and didn't even include him
Shit was like Dirk's 2011 Finals on steroids, yet overlooked like crazy

Bird outplayed and outscored, on better efficiency, a peak Bernard King, while having one of the GOAT game7's, against the Knicks.
He destroyed a 50W Bucks team with the 2nd best defense, while the C's quickly went past them mostly because of him.
In the Finals against a crazy stacked team, better on paper expected to win, with Kareem, Magic, Worthy, Cooper, McAdoo, Rambis... Larry was killing them while being guarded by Cooper and Worthy, getting most attention, led them to the title.

Not saying it was the worst supporting championship cast or something like that but people only tend to look at names (plenty that Bird made) while neglecting the level of a player at a certain time, what that player was doing before or without his best teammate (Larry), injuries, so on...
That 1984 squad is not even comparable to, say, the 1986 one, and while most of his teammates were playing pretty sub-par, Bird was tearing shit up and leading them to a title against some extremely tough competition.

[Warfan]

OP's just a troll.

I'd probably say Barry in 1975, Hakeem in 1994 or even Walton in 1977 (not gonna mention the competition here).

Still no man wins a title by himself or remotely close, those teams were constructed around those best players' strengths and the teammates also had to contribute while playing well and with the team as the ultimate "goal". And it evens goes beyond the stats, like, say, in 1975 the Warriors were playing some great defense, rebounding really well, showing lots of heart and gritt, playing for the team, it wasn't just Barry going completely ham, even though he was crazy.

I cant disagree completely about the Blazers since i havent watched much footage of them. But do you mind explaining how they were weak?? Just looking at the numbers, they had 5 players besides Walton in double digit scoring, including Lucas w/ 21/10/4, Hollins w/ 17/3/5 and Gross w/ 14/6/5.

[Nowitness]

People forget Bird because he had no D. Arguably next to Dirk as the only title winner to be named FMVP and be the worst defender on the starting 5.