Here's the production required for Lebron's 3 rings, compared to MJ's first 3

[TheWinningFam]

Doing a dunk in warm ups in no way indicates a player is 100% healthy. Especially regarding their MCL. The main problem that is caused by an MCL injury is loss of lateral movement and explosiveness.


https://www.statnews.com/2016/06/02/...inals-science/

The injury effected his game none whatsoever

[COLOR="Red"]His next game and following series versus the Houston Rockets, Steph perfomed at an elite level[/COLOR]



[COLOR="Blue"]The following 7 game series versus the Oklahoma City Thunder he again performed at a spectacular level[/COLOR]



[COLOR="DarkRed"]And as we all know, in the Finals, Curry just couldn't live up to the two previous series when he faced the Cleveland Cavaliers[/COLOR]



Infact, by looking at his past 3 Playoffs, 2016 Curry was right on par in nearly every category with his 2014 and 2013 Playoffs

In conclusion we see that

1. Steph is injury prone has a long history of sprains with multiple surgeries
2. Steph's fragile ankles wouldn't allow him to stop on a dime/keep up with [COLOR="Red"]Ariza[/COLOR]
3. Steph had bad court awareness after seeing [COLOR="Red"]Montie[/COLOR] fall and drove right through a wet spot, tweaking his knee
4. Multiple sources say it was a grade 1 MCL, 2 weeks fully heal, "he was lucky"
5. Steph came back from injury and played 9 games averaging [COLOR="Blue"]31, 8, 7, 48%fg[/COLOR] before playing Cleveland where he struggled at [COLOR="DarkRed"]22, 5, 4, 40%fg[/COLOR]
6. Steph is a sub par Playoff and Finals performer compared to his regular season
7. GSW front office signed Durant as insurance, specifically banking on Steph's next upcoming injury

[warriorfan]

Statistics do not necessarily indicate a players health

Michael Jordan scored 38 points during The Flu-Game. Does that mean Michael Jordan did not have the flu?

[TommyGriffin]

Damn. Shit just got irrefutable.

[aj1987]

Ordan was a POS who got his dad killed and is a perennial bitch as well.
1. BR
2. KAJ
3. LeBron
4. Magic
etc....

Deal with it, 0ball. Your idol gets his dad killed.

[3ball]

[I]3ball, adjust your stats for pace.

Here's [COLOR="Darkgreen"]Per 100 Stats[/COLOR] Thru 31 Years Old - MJ scores 25% more with equal assists:

[COLOR="DarkRed"]Jordan Playoffs:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 43.9 pts..[COLOR="White"]v[/COLOR] 8.5 reb.. 8.4 ast.. 4.2 tov.. 2.9 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 50.1 fg.. 58.1 ts.. 119 ortg.. 29.6 PER[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Navy"]Lebron Playoffs:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 36.4 pts.. 11.5 reb.. 8.8 ast.. 4.6 tov.. 2.3 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 47.8 fg.. 56.7 ts.. 115 ortg.. 27.7 PER[/COLOR]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...yoffs_per_poss
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...yoffs_per_poss

We don't have per 100 stats for the Finals, but the pace for Jordan and Lebron's Finals were the same:

1991 Finals Pace:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 85.8
1992 Finals Pace:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 92.3
1993 Finals Pace:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 89.7

2007 Finals Pace:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 82.8
2011 Finals Pace:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 85.5
2012 Finals Pace:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 88.6
2013 Finals Pace:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 88.1
2014 Finals Pace:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 87.4
2015 Finals Pace:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 90.7
2016 Finals Pace:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 92.0

So the pace was EQUAL, yet Jordan's Finals stats were far better thru 31 years old: 33% more scoring and more assists:

[COLOR="DarkRed"]Jordan Finals:[COLOR="White"]I[/COLOR] 36.3 ppg.. 6.6 rpg.. 7.9 apg.. 2.8 tov.. 2.0 spg.. 0.8 bpg.. 52.6 fg[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Navy"]Lebron Finals:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 27.0 ppg.. 9.9 rpg.. 7.2 apg.. 4.1 tov.. 1.9 spg.. 0.8 bpg.. 45.4 fg[/COLOR]

Also measure the dtrg of teams LeBron and Jordan faced

It's statistical fact that the offensive rebounding rates used in the 80's and early 90's would increase today's ORtg by [COLOR="DarkRed"]4 points[/COLor]

From Nylon Calculus:

"Looking at the league-average level, the takeaway is this: [COLOR="Red"]an NBA team generally improves on offense by about 0.62 points per 100 possessions for each percentage point increase in its offensive rebound rate. This means that if NBA teams were to improve their offensive rebounding from 23% (where it is now) to 30% (where it was a few years ago), they would generally score about 4.3 points more per 100 possessions.[/COLOR]"

http://nyloncalculus.com/2016/01/06/...hree-pointers/
https://gravityandlevity.wordpress.c...ve-rebounding/

From Grantland:

"The general conclusion the authors presented at the MIT Sloan Sports Analytics Conference in March, based on data from the 2011-12 season, was that [COLOR="Red"]teams could net about 4 points extra per game by recalibrating their philosophy toward offensive rebounding[/COLOR] — that teams were being too cautious."

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/pa...ition-defense/

[Suguru101]

Why are your stats always altered?

LeBron in his 3 Final wins never averaged under 10 rebounds, but you somehow come up with a 9.9 average....

His scoring is wrong too. His assists are wrong too.

His efficiency, his steals, his blocks. You slightly alter everything to make the difference bigger. That's the sign of either someone who can't count stats (which throws into question any stat you've ever posted), or signs of someone insecure enough to lie through stats to make the difference bigger.

Get your numbers right.

[3ball]

LeBron in his 3 Final wins never averaged under 10 rebounds, but you somehow come up with a 9.9 average....

[COLOR="Red"]Lebron's Finals stats include ALL his Finals, not just his winning ones.
[/COLOR].

[TheWinningFam]

That's a typo - the other stats are correct.



No, they aren't - the only stat that was mistyped was rebounds.

Here's the facts - thru 31 years old, the only stat where Lebron has an advantage is defensive rebounds - Jordan scores 25-33% more with equal or greater assists and better efficiency.. It's not even close tbh

Again, not taking pace into account.

And jordan is leagues better than lebron but u keep comparing the 2? k.

[3ball]

Again, not taking pace into account.

Here's [COLOR="Darkgreen"]Per 100 Stats[/COLOR] Thru 31 Years Old - MJ scores 25% more with equal assists:

[COLOR="DarkRed"]Jordan Playoffs:[COLOR="White"]I[/COLOR] 43.9 pts..[COLOR="White"]v[/COLOR] 8.5 reb.. 8.4 ast.. 4.2 tov.. 2.9 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 50.1 fg.. 58.1 ts.. 119 ortg.. 29.6 PER[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Navy"]Lebron Playoffs:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 36.4 pts.. 11.5 reb.. 8.8 ast.. 4.6 tov.. 2.3 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 47.8 fg.. 56.7 ts.. 115 ortg.. 27.7 PER[/COLOR]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...yoffs_per_poss
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...yoffs_per_poss

[Trollsmasher]

let's not forget MJ played against D-tier defenses in every single one of those Finals games

[Hey Yo]

That's a typo - the other stats are correct.



No, they aren't - the only stat that was mistyped was rebounds.

Here's the facts - thru 31 years old, the only stat where Lebron has an advantage is defensive rebounds - Jordan scores 25-33% more with equal or greater assists and better efficiency.. It's not even close tbh

You purposely do it all the time cause you know LeBron is closing in so you have to fudge the numbers to make the distance greater than what it is.

Clear sign of being shook!

[bigkingsfan]

let's not forget MJ played against D-tier defenses in every single one of those Finals games

Are you saying Barkley coming off the weakside isn't intimidating.

[3ball]

You purposely do it all the time cause you know LeBron is closing in so you have to fudge the numbers to make the distance greater than what it is.

Clear sign of being shook!

As I told the previous poster, Lebron's Finals stats include ALL his Finals, not just the ones he won - so the poster was wrong - the OP stats are correct

[3ball]

let's not forget MJ played against D-tier defenses in every single one of those Finals games

Lebron plays with spacing, whereas Jordan didn't - the Bulls took 5 threes per game in 1991, compared to 30 for the Cavs this year..

So Jordan's game would explode on today's spaced-out court and also with the hands-off perimeter defense (no hand-checking).

Today's wider driving lanes and hands-off defense is why the consensus from coaches and players alike is that Jordan would average 40+ in today's game.

[Suguru101]

[COLOR="Red"]Lebron's Finals stats include ALL his Finals, not just his winning ones.
[/COLOR].

But Jordan's Finals averages you say are 36.... which is only correct if you only take Jordan's first 3 Finals.

So you take LeBron's all 7 Finals.... but only take Jordan's first 3 Finals when he was in his prime? Wtf is this shit?

Btw, I firmly believe LeBron is never passing Jordan. He already has fu*ked up too much and doesn't have that aura of invincibility that makes Jordan such a legend.... but you getting the numbers wrong or altering them on purpose is just dumb.