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    Default Re: Sabonis vs Wilt (Euroleague vs jlauber)

    Sabonis was unreal in his prime, but not a ****ing top 6 player all-time

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    LOL! Sabonis in '86...weak competition and way too many short nerdy white guys.

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    someone said in the comments of that video that sabonis would give Shaq fits. lol

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    I don't think Sabonis will beat Wilt but let's face it, Sabonis is a legend himself too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAZERUSS
    LOL! Sabonis in '86...weak competition and way too many short nerdy white guys.
    He dominated one of the best athletes ever in David Robinson though.

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    He dominated one of the best athletes ever in David Robinson though.
    Lets face it, Robinson was in the Navy. Dude was a cornball nikka who would side with the cops against a brotha.

    D-Rob was white as fk, and whites are not good atheletes, ergo, David Robinson was not athletic.

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    I'll defer to Psileas on this, since he lives in Europe, and actually saw Sabonis play...

    Sabonis was never a big-time scorer, even in his prime. Here are his stats:

    http://www.basketpedya.com/Acc002Inf...=1754&idioma=1

    As you see, he averaged 20/11 in 1995 for Real, not 22/13. Actually, he only once got to 20+ ppg after 1990 and, mind you, this is still early/mid 90's European basketball, when it was possible for high scorers to average 30+ ppg, even at its strongest leagues. Getting 18-22 ppg for a good team was nice, but not something really rare and spectacular, as it would be today.

    I've watched Sabonis a lot of times before coming to the NBA, since I'm European myself and from the games I saw, the kind of defense he played consisted mainly of just using his huge frame to cover space inside. At times he succeeded (depending on the competition), but he wasn't the intimidating defender that no-one would dare shoot over. Such a guy was Vrankovic or even Tkatchenko. Sabonis always seemed to care less about defense then them.
    Leading the Euroleague in shot blocking is a nice little stat, but after the mid-90's, shot blocking numbers became so poor that they lost their meaning. It really isn't that important, because in Europe in the last decade there's much more to defense than blocked shots.

    And if you are going to compare a COLLEGE Robinson, then how about an NBA Robinson vs Sabonis?

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/...1&p2=sabonar01

    Take a look some of those games! One game in which D-Rob outscored Sabonis 39-16 and made 17-31 shots. And their playoff matchup was just as one-sided.

    Of course, the Sabonis-fans will say he was over-the-hill,...but they will never acknowledge that Robinson was far from his peak in '88.

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    Anhow about a WAY-PAST his prime Bob McAdoo?

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/s...ge=Euro-McAdoo

    Although McAdoo played in Europe at the end of his career, he is viewed by many as the[COLOR="DarkRed"] best American ever to play [/COLOR]there.

    In four seasons with Milano, McAdoo won two Italian league titles, the Italian Cup and back-to-back Euroleague crowns in 1987 and 1988. In the 1988 Euroleague Final, he scored 25 points and had 12 rebounds, as the Italians beat Maccabi Tel Aviv 90-84. It is no wonder he is still regarded as a legend in the city.




    More on McAdoo
    Born: September 25, 1951
    Birthplace: Greensboro, North Carolina
    Playing height/weight: 6-9, 210



    Career: 1972-93
    Teams: Vincennes University, University of North Carolina, Buffalo Braves, New York Knicks, Boston Celtics, Detroit Pistons, New Jersey Nets, Los Angeles Lakers, Philadelphia 76ers, Olimpia Milano (Italy), Filanto Forli (Italy), Teamsystem Fabriano (Italy)





    McAdoo's success should not have been a surprise given his achievements in the NBA, which included Rookie of the Year with the Buffalo Braves (1973), three consecutive scoring titles, five All-Star selections and two NBA championships with the L.A. Lakers in 1982 and 1985. He was also the league MVP in 1975 after he averaged 34.5 points, 14.1 rebounds and 2.12 blocks a game.



    After his glorious run with Milan, McAdoo spent three more seasons in the Italian league before retiring in 1993 at the age of 41.

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    Default Re: Sabonis vs Wilt (Euroleague vs jlauber)

    Quote Originally Posted by LAZERUSS
    I'll defer to Psileas on this, since he lives in Europe, and actually saw Sabonis play...



    And if you are going to compare a COLLEGE Robinson, then how about an NBA Robinson vs Sabonis?

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/...1&p2=sabonar01

    Take a look some of those games! One game in which D-Rob outscored Sabonis 39-16 and made 17-31 shots. And their playoff matchup was just as one-sided.

    Of course, the Sabonis-fans will say he was over-the-hill,...but they will never acknowledge that Robinson was far from his peak in '88.

    All of this is completely irrelevant he's talking about 90s Sabonis which was already heavily injured, still best player in Europe though. Real prime was 86-87, he never hit his full potential due to injuries. There wasn't player as skilled and big at the same time as him ever, and before injuries he had good athleticism too. He was as close to complete as you can get. And saying that Vrankovic and Tkatchenko were better defenders is laughable at best, it's like saying that Krstic is better defender than Marc Gasol.

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    Default Re: Sabonis vs Wilt (Euroleague vs jlauber)

    Quote Originally Posted by LAZERUSS
    I'll defer to Psileas on this, since he lives in Europe, and actually saw Sabonis play...



    And if you are going to compare a COLLEGE Robinson, then how about an NBA Robinson vs Sabonis?

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/...1&p2=sabonar01

    Take a look some of those games! One game in which D-Rob outscored Sabonis 39-16 and made 17-31 shots. And their playoff matchup was just as one-sided.

    Of course, the Sabonis-fans will say he was over-the-hill,...but they will never acknowledge that Robinson was far from his peak in '88.
    Sabonis was much further from his prime due to injury in those head-to-head's than DRob was from his in '88, but they are actually about the same age, so ignoring 1988 Olympics doesn't make sense. Also, DRob was getting like 1.5-2x the number of minutes in their NBA matchups. Sabonis was probably using a cane.

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    The best way to build an NBA legacy is apparently to not prove you can play in the NBA at the top of your game.

    There are people on this board he actually think Sabonis would be the GOAT center if he came earlier or Bias would be the GOAT player if he didn't OD.

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    Just curious...can someone post the '88 Olympic numbers between D-Rob and this so-called prime Sabonis?

    Forget it. Found them.

    Sabonis with 13 points and 13 rebounds, and Robinson with 19 points and 12 rebounds...
    Last edited by LAZERUSS; 07-21-2013 at 04:14 PM.

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    Default Re: Sabonis vs Wilt (Euroleague vs jlauber)

    Quote Originally Posted by Sakkreth
    All of this is completely irrelevant he's talking about 90s Sabonis which was already heavily injured, still best player in Europe though. Real prime was 86-87, he never hit his full potential due to injuries. There wasn't player as skilled and big at the same time as him ever, and before injuries he had good athleticism too. He was as close to complete as you can get. And saying that Vrankovic and Tkatchenko were better defenders is laughable at best, it's like saying that Krstic is better defender than Marc Gasol.
    no, it's not laughable at all, as they were indeed better defenders than him Sabonis was never a defensive wall like you would expect from a guy that big and that skilled. Sure, he blocked plenty of shots by the virtue of being 7'3, but blocking shots is only a part of defense to begin with, not to mention laughable competition in the late 80's - early 90's Europe.

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    Default Re: Sabonis vs Wilt (Euroleague vs jlauber)

    Quote Originally Posted by LAZERUSS
    Just curious...can someone post the '88 Olympic numbers between D-Rob and this so-called prime Sabonis?
    I *** in your wife.

    Oh, and here is the stats for both Robinson and Sabonis from the semi-final of
    '88 Olympics.

    Sabonis: 13 points, 13 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 steal, 1 block and 1 turnover.
    Robinson: 19 points, 12 rebounds, 2 steals, 2 blocks and 2 turnovers.

    Source:
    http://www.sports-reference.com/olym...obinson-1.html
    http://www.sports-reference.com/olym...sabonis-1.html

    Seems like Sabonis and Wilt are equally overrated.

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