How would you rank Jordan's and Lebron's Finals Performances?

[dankok8]

It's obvious that the bottom three would be 1996 Jordan, 2007 Lebron, and 2011 Lebron. What about the other ten which are all time great performances?


1991 Jordan
1992 Jordan
1993 Jordan
1997 Jordan
1998 Jordan
2012 Lebron
2013 Lebron
2014 Lebron
2015 Lebron
2016 Lebron


Arrange them from best to worst and try to provide some reasoning.

[TheWinningFam]

2016 Lebron (GOAT comeback hands down)
2013 lebron (Another GOAT come back agianst a GOAT team in the spurs..)
2015 lebron (GOAT level effort with delly as his second option Argubaly should have won mvp)
1998 Jordan

Then idk

[ArbitraryWater]

2016 Lebron (GOAT comeback hands down)
2013 lebron (Another GOAT come back agianst a GOAT team in the spurs..)
2015 lebron (GOAT level effort with delly as his second option Argubaly should have won mvp)
1998 Jordan

Then idk

wtf dude

EDIT: btw OP, wtf happened to hoops nation? admin doesnt give af? all the threads gone?

[feyki]

91
16



93
92




15/12/97



96/13/98

14




11











07

..

[Elosha]

My list, feel free to comment or disagree. Many of these are debatable and interchangeable.

1993 - absolute greatest Finals, most points, efficient, all-around greatness, ruthless beauty against a hungry and very talented Suns team.

1991 - beautiful, iconic play, tons of assists and absolute game mastery, all important game-tying shot in game 3, beat Magic another all-time great still at/near his prime.

2016 - amazing come from behind win against best regular season record team. Huge plays on both ends of the floor, back to back 41 point games, triple double game 7, defining moment of career thus far.

1998 - while not statistically the greatest Finals - the grit and determination of Jordan to cap off the 6th title at age 35, beating a Utah team that would have been champion in many other years, and carrying the Bulls in Game 6 with the layup, steal and gamewinner - makes this one legendary.

1992 - if anything this one is underrated. Incredible, dominant, and efficient performance, completely outclassed Drexler, led the way from Game 1 domination to scoring 12 points last 6 minutes of Game 6 and capping off Bulls fourth quarter comeback.

2015 - the overall stats are incredible, although Lebron shot very poorly to achieve his 39 points, which may have been the difference. But he left it all on the floor for the most part, little evidence of quitting or giving up, despite the injuries to his team.

2013 - Great overall performance, especially in Games 6 and 7. Huge second half in game 6, and huge game 7 (although he was given incredibly easy looks, which to his credit, he nailed). Still played very inconsistently and tentatively at times, would have likely lost had Popovich not lost his mind and taken Duncan - his best rebounder - out twice in the last minutes of Game 6.

1997 - impressive overall stats, two game winners, laser-like focus in beating a very dangerous and experienced Jazz team. Domination and clutch play at every turn.

2012 - efficient and dominant performance against a young but very talented OKC squad. Come from behind Finals after dropping game 1. Although on paper Durant came close to equaling him, Lebron clearly controlled and dominated the series.

1996 - MJ's worst Finals, but not too bad overall, and he was still deservedly MVP. Extremely solid in first three games, to take 3-0 lead, destroyed Payton and the Sonics in crucial game three. Missed a lot of easy shots in last three games, his focus seemed to be off. After he won on Father's Day and broke down over the death of his father, it makes one wonder if his mind was partially elsewhere...

2014 -Got destroyed in five games, but with great stats. Still many of his points came in garbage time or when the Spurs were way ahead and simply cruising. Crucially, he came up missing, often during Spurs' big runs. Often appeared to give up early. Deceptive statistics, and was outplayed by Leonard for key stretches.

2007 - Great job of getting to the Finals with weak Cavs team, but completely exposed by the Spurs and swept. Horrible shooting and unable to ever take over.

2011 - Lowest point of Lebron's career thus far. Had every reason to win and completely choked. No excuses. Dallas was rolling and there's no guarantee Heat win even if Lebron plays well, but he didn't play well, by any metric. He shrank on the biggest stage, probably for a variety of complex reasons. But he didn't get it done in any sense of the word.

[SouBeachTalents]

1993 Jordan
1991 Jordan
2016 LeBron
1992 Jordan

1997 Jordan
2012 LeBron
2015 LeBron

2013 LeBron
1998 Jordan
2014 LeBron

[Hey Yo]

2011 - Lowest point of Lebron's career thus far. Had every reason to win and completely choked. No excuses. Dallas was rolling and there's no guarantee Heat win even if Lebron plays well, but he didn't play well, by any metric. He shrank on the biggest stage, probably for a variety of complex reasons. But he didn't get it done in any sense of the word.

Exaggerate much....

Lead the team twice in scoring and added a trip-dub in another game.

18-7-7 on 48% shooting.

[ShawkFactory]

Exaggerate much....

Lead the team twice in scoring and added a trip-dub in another game.

18-7-7 on 48% shooting.

18/7/7 for Lebron fvcking James is not good.

He did NOT play well at all. Like 10 points below his average.

Add in what he did in 4th quarters? When pretty much every game was close?

It blows my mind that some people still try to defend it.

[SouBeachTalents]

18/7/7 for Lebron fvcking James is not good.

He did NOT play well at all. Like 10 points below his average.

Add in what he did in 4th quarters? When pretty much every game was close?

It blows my mind that some people still try to defend it.

Seriously, they just need to accept the L on that one, dude had a WOAT level Finals performance for a player of his caliber. That will always be a black mark on LeBron's brilliant resume

[Elosha]

Exaggerate much....

Lead the team twice in scoring and added a trip-dub in another game.

18-7-7 on 48% shooting.

For a good, but still inferior player, those would be solid, even great numbers. But Lebron is not Pippen, he is Lebron. He choked. There's no way around it. His numbers weren't even as good as they sound when you watch the games. He disappeared for long stretches and was soft and tentative for almost the entire series.

This isn't personal animus against Lebron, if Jordan choked like this, I'd be just as hard on him.

For whom much is given, much is required.

[Hey Yo]

So....by ANY METRIC and NO SENSE IN THE WORD LeBron's:

Leading the team twice in scoring and adding a trip-dub in another game while avg. 18-7-7 on 48% shooting = contributing nothing like that stupidfuk suggested??

[SouBeachTalents]

So....by ANY METRIC and NO SENSE IN THE WORD LeBron's:

Leading the team twice in scoring and adding a trip-dub in another game while avg. 18-7-7 on 48% shooting = contributing nothing like that stupidfuk suggested??

Do you really not think he played poorly that series?

[Elosha]

So....by ANY METRIC and NO SENSE IN THE WORD LeBron's:

Leading the team twice in scoring and adding a trip-dub in another game while avg. 18-7-7 on 48% shooting = contributing nothing like that stupidfuk suggested??

Hey Yo, no need for childish insults and name calling. If you're not mature enough for a reasonable conversation, we can be done.

Yes, by any metric, Lebron's 2011 Finals performance was horrible for a player of his caliber and potential. I've clarified that it would have been good numbers for a lesser player, but unless you want to relegate Lebron to lesser player status, those numbers and his performance suck by his standards.

[Hey Yo]

Do you really not think he played poorly that series?

Do you really think that stats I posted "BY ANY METRIC USED" gave no contribution to the Heat whatsoever?

[Hey Yo]

Hey Yo, no need for childish insults and name calling. If you're not mature enough for a reasonable conversation, we can be done.

Yes, by any metric, Lebron's 2011 Finals performance was horrible for a player of his caliber and potential. I've clarified that it would have been good numbers for a lesser player, but unless you want to relegate Lebron to lesser player status, those numbers and his performance suck by his standards.

You posted that after the fact. I didn't see it. That's why I didn't quote, South Beach when I replied to him

I didn't insult you in my first post.