Jordans, Kobes and Lebrons averages in "Win or go home/Must win" games:

[pauk]

I was very interested in finding this out, so I ventured out towards basketball-reference and started calculating, this thread works more like a showcase of these results, assuming maybe more would like to know how they fared there and compared to eachother...

These are the playoff games during any series where their backs were against the wall on the verge of getting eliminated, where the series is literally on the line, "WIN OR GO HOME" games...

I wanted to include some more perimeter players like Bird, Julius, West, Magic and so on but their full boxscores of all these games behind 1985-86 are impossible to find...

[COLOR="Red"]LEBRON[/COLOR] [COLOR="Black"]JAMES[/COLOR]- 11 "win or go home" games (4 wins, 7 losses)

PTS - 31.5 @ 46.0% FG
RBS - 10.3
ASTS - 6.7

BEST GAME - 45 pts, 15 rbs, 5 asts, 73.1% FG vs Celtics 2012 win
WORST GAME - 24 pts, 6 rbs, 10 asts, 33.3% FG vs Spurs 2007

[COLOR="Red"]MICHAEL[/COLOR] [COLOR="Silver"]JORDAN[/COLOR] - 11 "win or go home" games (5 wins, 6 losses)

PTS - 30.4 @ 45.9% FG
RBS - 8.0
ASTS - 6.8

BEST GAME - 44 pts, 9 rbs, 6 asts, 53.1% FG vs Cavaliers 1989 win
WORST GAME - 19 pts, 10 rbs, 9 asts, 44.4% FG vs Celtics 1986 (hey, had to post something...)

[COLOR="DarkOrchid"]KOBE[/COLOR] [COLOR="Orange"]BRYANT[/COLOR] - 18 "win or go home" games (7 wins, 11 losses)

PTS - 22.6 @ 41.0% FG
RBS - 5.9
ASTS - 3.8

When he started:
PTS - 24.3 @ 41.1% FG
RBS - 6.5
ASTS - 4.1

BEST GAME - 31 pts, 11 rbs, 5 asts, 50.0% FG vs Kings 2002 win (or the 42-5-0 @ 54.5% FG game 5 against OKC this year, but he losed that one with 16 pts)
WORST GAME - 6 pts, 1 rbs, 1 asts vs UTAH 1997
WORST AS STARTER - 17 pts, 3 rbs, 1 asts, 38.8% FG vs MAVS 2011

[COLOR="Blue"]KEVIN[/COLOR] [COLOR="DarkOrange"]DURANT[/COLOR] - 4 "win or go home" games (1 win, 3 losses)

PTS - 30.0 @ 42.3% FG
RBS - 8.8
ASTS - 2.3

BEST GAME - 39 pts, 9 rbs, 2 asts, 52% FG vs Grizzlies 2011 WCSF win
WORST GAME - 26 pts, 9 rbs, 2 asts, 21.7% FG vs Lakers 2010 1st round

[COLOR="Black"]DWYANE[/COLOR] [COLOR="Red"]WADE[/COLOR] - 10 "win or go home" games (3 wins, 7 losses)

PTS - 27.3 @ 45.3% FG
RBS - 4.8
ASTS - 5.6

BEST GAME - 46 pts, 5 rbs, 5 asts, 66.6% FG vs Celtics 2010 1st round win
WORST GAME - 17 pts, 8 rbs, 6 asts, 37% FG vs Mavs 2011 Finals



edit: recalculated Jordans stats, made 1 error, adding more players to

[NUPE_1911]

I was very interested in finding this out, so I ventured out towards basketball-reference and started calculating, this thread works more like a showcase of these results, assuming maybe more would like to know how they fared there and compared to eachother...

These are the playoff games during any series where their backs were against the wall on the verge of getting eliminated, where the series is literally on the line, "WIN OR GO HOME" games...

I wanted to include some more players like Bird, Julius, West and so on but their full boxscores of all these games behind 1985-86 are impossible to find...

[COLOR="Red"]LEBRON[/COLOR] [COLOR="Black"]JAMES[/COLOR]- 11 "win or go home" games (4 wins, 7 losses)

PTS - 31.5 @ 46.0% FG
RBS - 10.3
ASTS - 6.7

BEST GAME - 45 pts, 15 rbs, 5 asts, 73.1% FG vs Celtics 2012 win
WORST GAME - 24 pts, 6 rbs, 10 asts, 33.3% FG vs Spurs 2007

[COLOR="Red"]MICHAEL[/COLOR] [COLOR="Silver"]JORDAN[/COLOR] - 11 "win or go home" games (5 wins, 6 losses)

PTS - 29.5 @ 45.6% FG
RBS - 7.9
ASTS - 6.9

BEST GAME - 44 pts, 9 rbs, 6 asts, 53.1% FG vs Cavaliers 1989 win
WORST GAME - 10 pts, 14 rbs, 5 asts, 50% FG vs Pistons 1990

[COLOR="DarkOrchid"]KOBE[/COLOR] [COLOR="Orange"]BRYANT[/COLOR] - 18 "win or go home" games (7 wins, 11 losses)

PTS - 22.6 @ 41.0% FG
RBS - 5.9
ASTS - 3.8

When he started:
PTS - 24.3 @ 41.1% FG
RBS - 6.5
ASTS - 4.1

BEST GAME - 31 pts, 11 rbs, 5 asts, 50.0% FG vs Kings 2002 win
WORST GAME - 6 pts, 1 rbs, 1 asts vs UTAH 1997
WORST AS STARTER - 17 pts, 3 rbs, 1 asts, 38.8% FG vs MAVS 2011

Kobe lost....

[tmacattack33]

I like the way you color coded it.

[andgar923]

I like the way you color coded it.

that was thoughtful.

Thanks Pauk.

[BEAST Griffin]

Surprised by Lebron compared to Jordan. Not surprised by Kobe.

[The Iron Fist]

Post their records in the finals now.

[Zedja]

Not as bad as I thought it would be.

[sundizz]

Do Kobe's first two years really count though for elimination games? He was just thrown in as a scapegoat by Del Harris that rookie year. Additionally, his minutes were so few compared to his usual that it isn't really indicative of his impact or ability. Just saying?

[Hands of Iron]

Eh, prime is all that really matters.

[tmacattack33]

Do Kobe's first two years really count though for elimination games? He was just thrown in as a scapegoat by Del Harris that rookie year. Additionally, his minutes were so few compared to his usual that it isn't really indicative of his impact or ability. Just saying?

Yeah, Pauk should maybe remove 97' and 98' games. That wouldn't really change the FG% and efficiency stats though. It would change the other categories slightly.

[pauk]

Do Kobe's first two years really count though for elimination games? He was just thrown in as a scapegoat by Del Harris that rookie year. Additionally, his minutes were so few compared to his usual that it isn't really indicative of his impact or ability. Just saying?

I wouldnt count it, he was not a starter. But i included it anyways just because he played in them, thats why i included also the results from when he was only a starter, that i would count....

Its kindof difficult with Kobe, he had like 4 stages in his career....

1. The benchwarmer
2. The 6th man
3. The starting 2nd option
4. The leader/best player in his team

So i mean i will have to remove those first 3 stages to compare his "win or go home" results (or actually any stats whatsoever) with Jordan & Lebron, these guys were on that #4 stage their entire career so its easy... :)

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe's relatively good in his elimination games - http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=275566

2000-12, Non-blowout games

[NUPE_1911]

Surprised by Lebron compared to Jordan. Not surprised by Kobe.

You should take into consideration the type of defense teams and players were allowed to play in the 90's versus today.

[Young X]

[COLOR="Red"]MICHAEL[/COLOR] [COLOR="Silver"]JORDAN[/COLOR] - 11 "win or go home" games (5 wins, 6 losses)

PTS - 29.5 @ 45.6% FG
RBS - 7.9
ASTS - 6.9

BEST GAME - 44 pts, 9 rbs, 6 asts, 53.1% FG vs Cavaliers 1989 win
WORST GAME - 10 pts, 14 rbs, 5 asts, 50% FG vs Pistons 1990

Jordan had 31 pts, 9 assists, and 8 rebounds in that game 7, where did you get those numbers from?

[pauk]

Kobe's relatively good in his elimination games - http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=275566

2000-12, Non-blowout games

Absolutely!