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Old 03-19-2008, 01:32 PM   #31
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Hasn't KG already said he believes Paul Pierce is the MVP?
KG is the biggest bull****ter on planet earth. he'd say Brian Scalabrine is MVP if it were a choice between giving himself the credit he deserves and deflecting it to someone else.

he sells himself short more than any player I can think of other than Rasheed Wallace. and I'm talking both of on court and off court.

if he'd just do a move he could get a bucket whenever he wanted. but instead what does he do? kind of dribbles stagnant a couple times and go for the fadeaway. i repeat: he could get a bucket one on one every single time he touched the ball if he wanted. instead, it's fadeaways or passing it.

he even made sure Paul Pierce was the captain... again: KG is clearly the de facto captain from every word I've read about the internal workings of this Celtics team. but KG would rather have his balls chopped off with scissors than take credit and assume the responsiblity that goes along with it.
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Old 03-19-2008, 01:33 PM   #32
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True. Paul Pierce and Toine Walker led the Boston Celtics in the Eastern Conference Finals back in 2002, but Pierce was shutdown by Jason Kidd in the most important game of the series.
Jason Kidd has never shut Pierce down in his entire life. In that series it was Kittles and RJ that defended Pierce, normally with one help defender ready to come. And they still didn't shut him down, just defended him well enough to win.
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Old 03-19-2008, 01:36 PM   #33
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KG's impact has been enormous on the defensive end. It's completely changed the way this team approaches that end of the floor. And his energy, which is so high it may have wore thin on the young Wolves, has been infectious.

Allen actually hasn't even played as well as his numbers would indicate, and they're not even that Spectacular. But he is a shooting threat for KG to look to when he's doubled, and he's been a better fit next to Rondo than most SGs would have been, because he still actually has more ballhandling and playmaking skills than most.

And Pierce having a good year is no surprise. He's been stuck as a game finisher on a team who couldn't put him in those spots. It's not news either that Garnett needs someone who can take over in those situations. But it is absolutely his energy, specifically on the defensive end, that's had the biggest impact on this team.
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Old 03-19-2008, 01:57 PM   #34
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another genius on the board who knows nothing and probably just looks at stats. Its about the defense, the whole system is anchored around KG being the man in the middle, if it werent for his steller play in the middle on both ends of the court, they would be no wher near this level.


ur an idiot, KG HAS BETTER STATS

oh and im so glad people discussed this topic instead of just trying to fit in with everyone else
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Old 03-19-2008, 02:09 PM   #35
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stfu retard, it was in the East, it was Antoine Walker's team (he was the leader), it was 2002
Are you f*cking serious? Did you COMPLETELY miss the playoffs?
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Old 03-19-2008, 02:11 PM   #36
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of course celtic fans want paul peirce to be the MVP of the team, he's a franchise player. Been in boston the longest, and have seniority. But the truth of the matter is, kevin garnett is the best player on the team followed by ray allen.
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Old 03-19-2008, 02:20 PM   #37
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Exactly, the guys an idiot. Paul Pierce has gone further into the postseason than KG has with less talent around him.

What has Pierce done w/o Walker?
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Old 03-19-2008, 02:23 PM   #38
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What has Pierce done w/o Walker?
Carried the worst Celtics team of all time into the playoffs?

I like how people refer to Walker as if he was actually a star player. The guy was a 38% chucker. Fatter Larry Hughes anyone?
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Old 03-19-2008, 02:25 PM   #39
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garnett's just the team's leader, best defender, best rebounder, top 2 passer, top 3 scorer, most versatile player by far, and the guy who draws the double teams. why would anyone think he was their most valuable piece?
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Old 03-19-2008, 02:30 PM   #40
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What are their records without Pierce, or without Allen?
There is no record "without Pierce" this year, and that's why, so far, he would be the Celts' MVP. In a normal Celtic victory, Garnett leads the team in rebounding, anchors the defense (with a lot of help inside from Perk), is the vocal leader, and is a close second-option for the offense. Pierce will play good d, will grab 5 rebounds, and function as the offense's focus. I'd rate Garnett as more important to an individual win. But that 9-game stretch, over which the Cs were a good 7-2, is a little over an eighth of the season so far, which is enough to overcome Garnett's slight edge in per game value. It's certainly no reason to blame Garnett, he didn't want to hurt his abdomen, but it happened.

edit: 9 games, not 10.

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Old 03-19-2008, 02:33 PM   #41
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There is no record "without Pierce" this year, and that's why, so far, he would be the Celts' MVP. In a normal Celtic victory, Garnett leads the team in rebounding, anchors the defense (with a lot of help inside from Perk), is the vocal leader, and is a close second-option for the offense. Pierce will play good d, will grab 5 rebounds, and function as the offense's focus. I'd rate Garnett as more important to an individual win. But that 10-game stretch, over which the Cs were a good 7-2, is a little over an eighth of the season so far, which is enough to overcome Garnett's slight edge in per game value. It's certainly no reason to blame Garnett, he didn't want to hurt his abdomen, but it happened.
hey, somebody made a good point in favor of pierce! we can always count on real men to actually put forth an argument.
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Carried the worst Celtics team of all time into the playoffs?

I like how people refer to Walker as if he was actually a star player. The guy was a 38% chucker. Fatter Larry Hughes anyone?
Wasn't that bad. Pierce was the team MVP but Walker was the vocal/emotional leader and he did show up and play well vs. Philly and Detroit (unfortunately, K-Mart destroyed him). Larry Hughes literally wasn't even playing when James lead the Cavs to the Finals. Walker was flawed, sure, but he deserves some credit. HE definitely showed far more heart than Hughes, and was arguably Miami's second-most important player in the series vs. Dallas.
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Old 03-19-2008, 02:35 PM   #43
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Carried the worst Celtics team of all time into the playoffs?


what was the team record that year and what did he do in the playoffs?Im positive that they're not too impressive
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Old 03-19-2008, 02:39 PM   #44
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you cant really say that pierce is better than Ray or Ray is better than garnett because they all do different things and have diffeent roles.
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you cant really say that pierce is better than Ray or Ray is better than garnett because they all do different things and have diffeent roles.
Richard Fox had a different role from Shaq, but it wasn't too hard to pick out who was more important. The difference between Pierce/Garnett and Ray Allen isn't nearly as stark, but it's there. Ray Allen is a close thrid-option on offense, but still a third option and he certainly does not rebound or defend at Garnett's level. He's closer to Pierce but Pierce is still clearly having a better season, as shown by scoring average, rebounds, assists, and games played.
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