Throwback game Barkley vs MJ

[Jameerthefear]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=905O...ature=youtu.be

Barkley with 34/20/8
MJ with 49/5/5

Box score
https://www.basketball-reference.com...005110PHI.html

Philly went on to win.

[SpaceJam2]

Two legends battling it out

[3ball]

This was the period where MJ was experimenting a little bit with 3-pointers and shot 37.0% in the 90-93 playoffs on 2.6 attempts....

He shot 42.7% in the 91-93 Finals on 3.3 attempts

As a sidenote, the 90' Pistons were stacked to the brim with every starter being a 3x all-star or all-nba except Rodman.. the bulls had a ridiculously thin roster by comparison, yet almost beat the Pistons in 1990 - they would've won if pippen didn't have the migraine game with 1-10 and 2 pts.

Furthermore, the Pistons needed 7 tough games to beat those bulls and 5 easy games to beat the blazers in the Finals, so the bulls would've beaten the blazers in the Finals if pippen didn't choke in game 7 of ecf

Btw, here's an idea of how good those Pistons were - the 90' Suns were stacked and upset Magic's 1-seeded all-star team, but then got beat by the stacked blazers in WCF (who made the Finals with Drexler getting 18 ppg as 3rd option).... But then those stacked blazers got demolished by the Pistons!! Those pistons were special and beat the celtics/lakers dynasties - and yet MJ with Chris Middleton, I mean Pippen almost beat them in 1990 (would've won if not for migraine)

[AussieSteve]

Crazy that this is how great Barkley had to play to beat those Bulls. I mean Jordan was obviously phenomenal, but there's no doubt Barkley was the dominant player on the court in that game. 10 offensive boards. Put the Bulls' entire front court in foul trouble. 34 points on only 18 fga. And would easily have had 10+ assists if his teammates could make a spoon fed bucket at the rim.

Just watching those highlights... look at the losers that Barkley was playing with, continually missing open layups after Barkley breaks down the defense and spoon feeds them under the basket.

[AussieSteve]

Here are some epic playoff performances by Barkley that were not enough to get a win against the Bulls because Jordan's team mates outperformed Barkley's.


1990 ECSF

Game 1
Barkley: 30pts on 21 fga, 20reb (9orb), 4ast, 2stl, 2blk, 3tov

Jordan: 39 points on 30fga. Rest of Bulls: 25/58 = 43fg%. Rest of 76ers: 20 / 58 = 34fg%

This game is just open brick after open brick by Barkley's team mates, after he creates space by drawing the double.


1991 ECSF

Game 1
34pts on 13 fga, 11reb (5orb), 2ast, 1stl, 0blk, 0tov

Jordan: 29 points on 15fga. Rest of Bulls: 32 / 59 = 54%fg. Rest of 76ers: 18 / 62 = 29%fg

This game was arguably Barkley's all time best playoff performance through 3 quarters, but the rest of his team were so bad that they were down by 20 at that stage, so he sat out the entire 4th.


Game 5
Barkley: 30pts on 20fga, 8reb (1orb), 7ast, 2stl, 1blk, 1tov

Jordan: 38 points on 31fga. Rest of Bulls: 27/54 = 50fg%. Rest of 76ers: 24 / 56 = 43fg%


1993 finals

Game 2
Barkley: 42pts on 26 fga, 13reb (6orb), 4ast, 1stl, 1blk, 2tov

Jordan: 42 points on 36fga. Rest of Bulls: 27/53 = 51fg%. Rest of 76ers: 27 / 62 = 44fg%


Game 4
Barkley: 32pts on 19 fga, 12reb (3orb), 10ast, 3stl, 1blk, 1tov

Jordan: 55 points on 37fga. Rest of Bulls: 23/46 = 50fg%. Rest of 76ers: 28 / 60 = 47fg%


I know that Jordan was great in all of these games too. But in all of these 5 bulls wins, Jordan got more help than Barkley, and that was ultimately the difference. Give Barkley a guard of Pippen's calibre, who can find the open man more often, or hit the open shot more regularly than Hawkins or 93 KJ (who was pretty trash), and he probably wins at least 3 or 4 out of these 5 games, if not all of them... And probably has multiple rings between 1990 and 1993.

[3ball]

Crazy that this is how great Barkley had to play to beat those Bulls. I mean Jordan was obviously phenomenal, but there's no doubt Barkley was the dominant player on the court in that game. 10 offensive boards. Put the Bulls' entire front court in foul trouble. 34 points on only 18 fga. And would easily have had 10+ assists if his teammates could make a spoon fed bucket at the rim.

Just watching those highlights... look at the losers that Barkley was playing with, continually missing open layups after Barkley breaks down the defense and spoon feeds them under the basket.

Stats in that series:

M Jordan - 43.2.... 6.6.. 7.4.. 54.8 fg.. 31 FGA
C Barkley - 23.8.. 17.0.. 5.0.. 53.2 fg.. 15 FGA


MJ with 16 more shots per game and 21 more points per game - MJ clearly did more

[TheCorporation]

Here are some epic playoff performances by Barkley that were not enough to get a win against the Bulls because Jordan's team mates outperformed Barkley's.


1990 ECSF

Game 1
Barkley: 30pts on 21 fga, 20reb (9orb), 4ast, 2stl, 2blk, 3tov

Jordan: 39 points on 30fga. Rest of Bulls: 25/58 = 43fg%. Rest of 76ers: 20 / 58 = 34fg%

This game is just open brick after open brick by Barkley's team mates, after he creates space by drawing the double.


1991 ECSF

Game 1
34pts on 13 fga, 11reb (5orb), 2ast, 1stl, 0blk, 0tov

Jordan: 29 points on 15fga. Rest of Bulls: 32 / 59 = 54%fg. Rest of 76ers: 18 / 62 = 29%fg

This game was arguably Barkley's all time best playoff performance through 3 quarters, but the rest of his team were so bad that they were down by 20 at that stage, so he sat out the entire 4th.


Game 5
Barkley: 30pts on 20fga, 8reb (1orb), 7ast, 2stl, 1blk, 1tov

Jordan: 38 points on 31fga. Rest of Bulls: 27/54 = 50fg%. Rest of 76ers: 24 / 56 = 43fg%


1993 finals

Game 2
Barkley: 42pts on 26 fga, 13reb (6orb), 4ast, 1stl, 1blk, 2tov

Jordan: 42 points on 36fga. Rest of Bulls: 27/53 = 51fg%. Rest of 76ers: 27 / 62 = 44fg%


Game 4
Barkley: 32pts on 19 fga, 12reb (3orb), 10ast, 3stl, 1blk, 1tov

Jordan: 55 points on 37fga. Rest of Bulls: 23/46 = 50fg%. Rest of 76ers: 28 / 60 = 47fg%


I know that Jordan was great in all of these games too. But in all of these 5 bulls wins, Jordan got more help than Barkley, and that was ultimately the difference. Give Barkley a guard of Pippen's calibre, who can find the open man more often, or hit the open shot more regularly than Hawkins or 93 KJ (who was pretty trash), and he probably wins at least 3 or 4 out of these 5 games, if not all of them... And probably has multiple rings between 1990 and 1993.

[AussieSteve]

Stats in that series:

M Jordan - 43.2.... 6.6.. 7.4.. 55 fg.. 31 FGA
C Barkley - 24.3.. 17.4.. 5.0.. 52 fg.. 15 FGA


MJ with 16 more shots per game and 21 more points per game - MJ clearly did more

Over the series Jordan was clearly the best player. I'm not disputing that. But in this game Barkley was the dominant player.

Its also worth noting that MJ put up literally more than double the shots over the series as Barkley. Which he could do partly because Hawkins was completely incapable of challenging him. Hersey did better in 91, but in the 1990 series, he was basically a traffic cone.

Meanwhile Barkley was routinely doubled by Pippen and Grant. Very different scenario. Which is why his shot attempts were down and assists up vs the RS. And you cannot underrate his 17 rebounds a game, including 7 offensive.

Barkley did fade in the last couple of games in that series, but the Bulls we better than the 76ers top to bottom, so it would not have mattered regardless.

[3ball]

1990 ECSF





Barkley's teammates clearly out-produced MJ's, which is why MJ had to average 21 ppg more than Barkley and 2.5 more assists with 4 more spg

[3ball]

Over the series Jordan was clearly the best player. I'm not disputing that. But in this game Barkley was the dominant player.

Its also worth noting that MJ put up literally more than double the shots over the series as Barkley. Which he could do partly because Hawkins was completely incapable of challenging him. Hersey did better in 91, but in the 1990 series, he was basically a traffic cone.

Meanwhile Barkley was routinely doubled by Pippen and Grant. Very different scenario. Which is why his shot attempts were down and assists up vs the RS. And you cannot underrate his 17 rebounds a game, including 7 offensive.

Barkley did fade in the last couple of games in that series, but the Bulls we better than the 76ers top to bottom, so it would not have mattered regardless.

Are you guys dense ot something?... MJ shot better than Barkley in both FG and TS

So Barkley shot 16 times at 52%, but why not shoot 30 times at that same efficiency??.. why not DO MORE??.. that's what MJ did - he shot more at the same efficiency, therefore DOING MORE

More shot attempts are never a detriment if the efficiency is equal or better.. MJ's far greater shot attempts at better efficiency means he did more than Barkley... points > rebounds.... And shot attempts usually take more energy than rebounds

And MJ was most double-teamed player in history.. he stated that's why he perfected the fadeaway, so he could get his shot off before the double came... Barkley didn't have to do that.. I know you guys think Shaq was doubled more, but he actually wasn't, and it's provable

[SpaceJam2]

Are you guys dense ot something?... MJ shot better than Barkley in both FG and TS

So Barkley shot 16 times at 52%, but why not shoot 30 times at that same efficiency??.. why not DO MORE??.. that's what MJ did - he shot more at the same efficiency, therefore DOING MORE

So dumb

MJ only shot 41% in the 96 Finals, why not do more?
MJ only grabbed 4 rpg in the 98 Finals, why not do more?
MJ only has 2 apg in the 98 Finals, why not do more?

[LostCause]

So dumb

MJ only shot 41% in the 96 Finals, why not do more?
MJ only grabbed 4 rpg in the 98 Finals, why not do more?
MJ only has 2 apg in the 98 Finals, why not do more?

What

[AussieSteve]

Are you guys dense ot something?... MJ shot better than Barkley in both FG and TS

So Barkley shot 16 times at 52%, but why not shoot 30 times at that same efficiency??.. why not DO MORE??.. that's what MJ did - he shot more at the same efficiency, therefore DOING MORE

More shot attempts are never a detriment if the efficiency is equal or better.. MJ's far greater shot attempts at better efficiency means he did more than Barkley... points > rebounds.... And shot attempts usually take more energy than rebounds

And MJ was most double-teamed player in history.. he stated that's why he perfected the fadeaway, so he could get his shot off before the double came... Barkley didn't have to do that.. I know you guys think Shaq was doubled more, but he actually wasn't, and it's provable

Barkley was doubled on basically every single possession during his peak Philly years. When he wasn't, he got to the rim pretty much whenever he wanted.

And yes, MJ put up a lot more shots on the similar efficiency. But vs Hersey is not the same as vs a Pippen / Horace double. Better production does not always equal higher level of play. Favorable circumstance may also contribute.

Why did MJ average 39.3ppg against Barkley in the playoffs but only 32.9ppg against all other teams over the same period? Barkley's back courts were trash defensively.

[AussieSteve]

1990 ECSF





Barkley's teammates clearly out-produced MJ's, which is why MJ had to average 21 ppg more than Barkley and 2.5 more assists with 4 more spg

Jordan's team mates

165 rebounds
94 assists
33 steals
14 blocks
42 turnovers
49.4%fg

Barkley's team mates

108 rebounds
95 assists
21 steals
17 blocks
85 turnovers
47.7%fg

who's team mates performed better?

[SpaceJam2]

Jordan's team mates

165 rebounds
94 assists
33 steals
14 blocks
42 turnovers
49.4%fg

Barkley's team mates

108 rebounds
95 assists
21 steals
17 blocks
85 turnovers
47.7%fg

who's team mates performed better?

Yikes