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Old 09-15-2019, 05:41 PM   #46
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Default Re: Apparently Mo Williams was an elite shooter

If Mo Will is an elite shooter what does that make Klay Thompson?

Super Ultra Mega Elite?

Stop throwing the word elite everytime you try to diminish Lebron.

Mo Williams was a good role player who thrived mostly because he played with Lebron. He could not create his own shot, was a below average defender, was not a good passer either and would have not be considered a second option except for when we played with Lebron.
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Old 09-15-2019, 05:55 PM   #47
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If Mo Will is an elite shooter what does that make Klay Thompson?

Super Ultra Mega Elite?

Stop throwing the word “ elite “ everytime you try to diminish Lebron.

Mo Williams was a good role player who thrived mostly because he played with Lebron. He could not create his own shot, was a below average defender, was not a good passer either and would have not be considered a second option except for when we played with Lebron.

More or less.

Leave it to 3ball calling dude "Mini Curry" tho.

Dumb bitch
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Old 09-15-2019, 05:56 PM   #48
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Why can't Lebron win with his 2nd option getting 18 on 38%?, when MJ won with much worse then that all the time? (see previous post)

What a fcking clown

It's one of the many reasons Lebron isn't on MJ's level.. he needs too much help to win
Let's just pretend aspects like defense and playmaking aren't relevant in basketball, it's ALL ppg
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Old 09-15-2019, 06:01 PM   #49
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Default Re: Apparently Mo Williams was an elite shooter

We're at a point where people talk about Mo Williams of all people like he's some sort of unstoppable offensive juggernaut close to all-time great status. Only on Insidehoops are people that insane, that far driven from reality.
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Old 09-15-2019, 06:02 PM   #50
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Mo was not a good passer


Mo averaged 6 assists for 2 years before Lebron's ball-dominance reduced it to 4:
Mo Will 07' - 17.3.. 4.8.. 6.3.. 44.6%
Mo Will 08' - 17.2.. 3.5.. 6.3.. 48.0%

Mo Will 09' - 17.8.. 3.4.. 4.1.. 46.7%

Lebron's abnormal ball-dominance as a frontcourt player reduces EVERYONE'S assists (not just Mo), so the team ranks low in assists and struggles on the championship level against better-passing teams that massively out-assist them.. 3/9


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Mo Williams was a good role player who thrived mostly because he played with Lebron.


Actually, Mo's stats were better the years before joining Lebron:

Mo Will 07' - 17.3.. 4.8.. 6.3.. 44.6%
Mo Will 08' - 17.2.. 3.5.. 6.3.. 48.0%

Mo Will 09' - 17.8.. 3.4.. 4.1.. 46.7%

Unfortunately, Lebron's ball-dominant skillset turns teammates into spot-up shooters, which doesn't develop teammates or the team, and necessities team-hopping for ready-made stars and teams.


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If Mo Will is an elite shooter what does that make Klay Thompson?

Super Ultra Mega Elite?

You're comparing 2 different eras (09 vs 19')

Mo led the league in 3-point makes per game in 2009, at 40%+... That's elite by any standard, and his shooting was ahead of it's time, thus enabling a 21-win increase, aka "mini-curry" (he was the only roster change)


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Stop throwing the word “ elite “ everytime you try to diminish Lebron.


Stop trying to diminish Lebron's teammates to boost Lebron - Mo was clearly much better than Middleton:


2009 vs. 2019


MO.... WILLIAMS....:. 18/3/5.. 58.8 ts.. 115 ortg.. 17.2 PER.. 0.165 ws.. 2.3 bpm.. 3.1 vorp
KHRIS MIDDLETON:.. 18/5/3.. 55.5 ts.. 106 ortg.. 16.3 PER.. 0.122 ws.. 0.7 bpm.. 1.6 vorp


And MJ won many series with far worse help than Mo's 18 on 38% in the 09' ECF - MJ won many series with Pippen getting 15 on 33% and in that vicinity.
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Old 09-15-2019, 06:06 PM   #51
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Dude has to be trolling

"Mini Curry"
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Old 09-15-2019, 06:19 PM   #52
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We're at a point where people talk about Mo Williams of all people like he's some sort of unstoppable offensive juggernaut close to all-time great status. Only on Insidehoops are people that insane, that far driven from reality.



This had me cracking up
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Old 09-15-2019, 06:30 PM   #53
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MO.... WILLIAMS 09':....18/3/5.. 58.8 ts.. 115 ortg.. 17.2 PER.. 0.165 ws.. 2.3 bpm.. 3.1 vorp
KHRIS MIDDLETN 19':.. 18/5/3.. 55.5 ts.. 106 ortg.. 16.3 PER.. 0.122 ws.. 0.7 bpm.. 1.6 vorp



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We're at a point where people talk about Mo Williams of all people like he's some sort of unstoppable offensive juggernaut close to all-time great status. Only on Insidehoops are people that insane, that far driven from reality.

^^^ Except no one said that - I'm taking great care to specify that he was much better than respected all-star Khris Middleton, who many people praised heavily this year - Mo was much BETTER than that guy.. That's being pretty specific, and in no way close to what you're imagining I'm saying (the bolded blue above)

You simply don't like what this implies (that he failed with a favored, 60-win, 1 seed that was supposed to win, just like Giannis did, Dirk in 07' and many other favored, 1-seeds that lost over the years), so you're exaggerating what I said.

It's weak.. and low character..
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Old 09-15-2019, 06:32 PM   #54
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Zydrunas = mini Duncan
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Old 09-15-2019, 06:34 PM   #55
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JJ Hickson = mini Draymond
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Old 09-15-2019, 06:46 PM   #56
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Jamario Moon = mini Tayshaun
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Jamario Moon = mini Tayshaun
09' Mo was equal to 19' Khris Middleton, except a Middleton-level shooting impact is worth a lot more in 2009 when less guys were shooting like that, than 2019 when everyone and their mother is shooting a lot and pretty well.

So again, Mo was ahead of his time, and therefore had a "mini-curry" effect (21 more wins for the 09' Cavs - that's a bigger win increase than Lebron ever had) - but he admittedly wouldn't have this impact today when there's tons of "mini-curry's around..

At a minimum, we know that he produced much more for Lebron than Middleton produced for Giannis... both were heavy Vegas favorites that crashed.. Giannis got exposed by the Toronto defense, and Lebron got exposed as a reluctant scorer that labors to score a lot of points - so it's easier on your defense to let him dribble a lot and work hard to score every possession, than double him and get the ball moving.. Stan Van Gundy said this
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Mike Brown = mini Popovich
































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He was Pop's assistant
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Old 09-15-2019, 06:57 PM   #59
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Mike Brown = mini Popovich



Plot twist




He was Pop's assistant

09' Mo was equal to 19' Khris Middleton, except a Middleton-level shooting impact is worth a lot more in 2009 when less guys were shooting like that, than 2019 when everyone and their mother is shooting a lot and pretty well.

So again, Mo was ahead of his time, and therefore had a "mini-curry" effect (21 more wins for the 09' Cavs - that's a bigger win increase than Lebron ever had) - but he admittedly wouldn't have this impact today when there's tons of "mini-curry's around..

At a minimum, we know that he produced much more for Lebron than Middleton produced for Giannis... both were heavy Vegas favorites that crashed.. Giannis got exposed by the Toronto defense, and Lebron got exposed as a reluctant scorer that labors to score a lot of points - so it's easier on your defense to let him dribble a lot and work hard to score every possession, than double him and get the ball moving.. Stan Van Gundy said this
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09' Mo was equal to 19' Khris Middleton, except a Middleton-level shooting impact is worth a lot more in 2009 when less guys were shooting like that, than 2019 when everyone and their mother is shooting a lot and pretty well.

So again, Mo was ahead of his time, and therefore had a "mini-curry" effect (21 more wins for the 09' Cavs - that's a bigger win increase than Lebron ever had) - but he admittedly wouldn't have this impact today when there's tons of "mini-curry's around..

At a minimum, we know that he produced much more for Lebron than Middleton produced for Giannis... both were heavy Vegas favorites that crashed.. Giannis got exposed by the Toronto defense, and Lebron got exposed as a reluctant scorer that labors to score a lot of points - so it's easier on your defense to let him dribble a lot and work hard to score every possession, than double him and get the ball moving.. Stan Van Gundy said this
09' Mo was equal to 19' Khris Middleton, except a Middleton-level shooting impact is worth a lot more in 2009 when less guys were shooting like that, than 2019 when everyone and their mother is shooting a lot and pretty well.

So again, Mo was ahead of his time, and therefore had a "mini-curry" effect (21 more wins for the 09' Cavs - that's a bigger win increase than Lebron ever had) - but he admittedly wouldn't have this impact today when there's tons of "mini-curry's around..

At a minimum, we know that he produced much more for Lebron than Middleton produced for Giannis... both were heavy Vegas favorites that crashed.. Giannis got exposed by the Toronto defense, and Lebron got exposed as a reluctant scorer that labors to score a lot of points - so it's easier on your defense to let him dribble a lot and work hard to score every possession, than double him and get the ball moving.. Stan Van Gundy said this
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