Hand-checking was not the biggest deterrent to penetration in previous eras

[3ball]

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It was the lack of 3-point shooting.. Without 3-point shooting to draw defenders out of the paint, the paint was often too crowded for penetration to even be [COLOR="Navy"]physically possible[/COLOR] - overcrowded paints FORCED players to pull-up from midrange, shown below:














So anytime you contemplate how one of today's players would do in a prior era, understand that he wouldn't have teammates spreading the floor for him like he does today..
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[Smoke117]

Curry > Lebron > Kobe > MJ

[ClipperRevival]

It's a very obvious point though. Spacing back in the days wasn't as good as it is today so naturally, the paint was more clogged and it was just harder to get decent penetration.

[plowking]

So much easier to get into the paint when being hand checked compared to when teams play zone and just converge on you.

[I know you are]

Based on this logic, Curry would have been the ultimate player spreading the floor for his team and giving them an advantage that Jordan couldn't do for his team.

[3ball]

Based on this logic, Curry would have been the ultimate player spreading the floor for his team and giving them an advantage that Jordan couldn't do for his team

3-point shooters only cause a single defender to hug them on the perimeter, which doesn't do shit BY ITSELF - it takes the entire Warrior team shooting 3-pointers and spacing the floor TOGETHER to provide floor-spacing.. That's why the Warriors just broke the 3-point record in Game 4 without Curry.

Otoh, when a dangerous rim attacker is on the floor, ALL defenders must cheat off their man, which leaves 3-point shooters and other teammates more open than otherwise.

Essentially, 3-point shooters need teammates to help them space the floor, whereas a single rim attacker frees up teammates for open shots all by themselves, by forcing the entire defense to cheat of their man.

[stephanieg]

How many MJ gifs do you have?

[3ball]

So much easier to get into the paint when being hand checked compared to when teams play zone and just converge on you.

Zone is only allowed outside the paint and it merely offsets the open paint created by today's floor-spreading and paint-clearing 3-pointers.

Also, zone isn't allowed INSIDE the paint - to remain inside the paint, defenders must stay within armslength of their man, which is opposite of a zone and the strictest defense possible outside of having players stand shoulder-to-shoulder..
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[3ball]

How many MJ gifs do you have?

As you can see, penetration is physically impossible due to the overcrowded paint, so Jordan is FORCED to pull-up from midrange.

Unlike today's game, previous eras didn't have sufficient 3-point shooters to draw defenders out of the paint.

[PP34Deuce]

3Ball would you say that with teams relying on the 3 point shot, midrange and the penetration game will come back?

I've noticed a trend in the east and it's been teams with an aggressive player that can get to the cup are gaining value again.

Kemba
Irving
Thomas

etc.

[3ball]

As you can see, penetration is physically impossible due to the overcrowded paint, so Jordan is FORCED to pull-up from midrange.

Unlike today's game, previous eras didn't have sufficient 3-point shooters to draw defenders out of the paint.

[3ball]

3Ball would you say that with teams relying on the 3 point shot, the midrange and the penetration game will come back?

Midrange and post will never come back because teams now have sufficient 3-point personnel to run plays that obtain 3-point shots instead of 2-point shots.

For example, now that teams have sufficient 3-point personnel to drive-and-kick for 3-pointers (instead of 2-pointers), drive-and-kick has supplanted post-ups as the most efficient option.

[COLOR="Red"]and the penetration[/COLOR] game will come back?

You're missing the point regarding penetration.

Penetration is more prevalent NOW than previous eras.. Previous eras didn't have the 3-point shooting to draw defenders out of the paint, so the paint was often too crowded for penetration to even be [COLOR="Navy"]physically possible[/COLOR] - overcrowded paints FORCED players to pull-up from midrange, shown throughout this thread.

[PP34Deuce]

Midrange and post will never come back because teams now have sufficient 3-point personnel to run plays that obtain 3-point shots instead of 2-point shots.

For example, now that teams have sufficient 3-point personnel to drive-and-kick for 3-pointers (instead of 2-pointers), drive-and-kick has supplanted post-ups as the most efficient option.


You're missing the point regarding penetration.

Penetration is more prevalent NOW than previous eras.. Previous eras didn't have the 3-point shooting to draw defenders out of the paint, so the paint was often too crowded for penetration to even be [COLOR="Navy"]physically possible[/COLOR] - overcrowded paints FORCED players to pull-up from midrange, shown throughout this thread.

I wasn't clear. when talking ball penetration, I mean looking to score-not the drive and dish. We've been seeing more guards going inside to score or get to the free throw line.

[3ball]

I wasn't clear. when talking ball penetration, I mean [COLOR="Red"]looking to score[/COLOR]-not the drive and dish. We've been seeing more guards going inside to score or get to the free throw line.

The reason there are more 20 ppg scorers at the PG/SG/SF positions than ever before, is because they penetrate AND SCORE more than ever before..

There were 22 perimeter players (PG/SG/SF) that averaged over 20 ppg this season, compared to 11 in 1996.

Today's defenders don't wait in the paint like previous eras.. Due to 3-point shooting and defensive 3 seconds, today's defenders must help from OUTSIDE the paint, which allows for easier at-rim finishing than ever before.
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[Random_Guy]

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