LeBron is Playing with Career Losers.

[Joyner82reload]

I'm still trying to figure out how Wade was a career loser, despite having a Finals MVP in one of the GOAT Finals performances, while LeBron was apparently a "winner", while being swept in his only Finals appearance which was possibly the worst Finals for a #1 option in NBA history.

[r15mohd]

how many god damn times have i said "the lebron run offense tells bigs to get out of the paint"

hense the massive dip in offensive rebounding and fg% for love


bosh felt the impact aswell

impact...4 finals, 2 titles. Bosh was given a role to best fit the Heat's team with the Big 3, and it worked out pretty well for himself and the Heat.

as for Love...he took twice as many shots outside the arc than he did inside it when on Minny last year Link: http://vorped.com/1-nba/2013-2014/pl...ove/shotchart/ so to insinuate that Love is being forced to be something he isn't or wasn't, is just another lie you try to hope is overlooked as things look down for the Cavs, Lebron really.

Love's issue is adjusting to the role of not having the ball in his hands more than what he's accustom too. it'll fix itself, no doubt in that, he's just having a bad run right now as the team find its full identity.

[White Mamba]

I definitely think LeBron is pretty poor leader, especially with players of comparable talents...but he and the Cavs didn't have someone like Phil Jackson to mold Gasol or show him how things are done.

You seems to forget that Kobe's years without Phil have been laughable (bench player before him, missed Playoffs and couldn't stay on the court during the sabbatical year, has been basically irrelevant and not competed for a ring since).

The Lakers didn't have the roster (luke, Smush Brown) or the power (injuries) to contend without phil. but let me remined you that when kobe got Pau he alredy had the best record in the wild wild west at 26-13, with just andrew bynum. no love or kyrie just the hate.

you also seem to forget lebron was makin life in the weak East and had HCA and still got his ass kicked, so your team is good enough to win the regular season but not good enough to win titles? this is new to me.

Kobe got to the finals 7 times from the freakin WEST, and with Shaq he was great when it matters most (West finals no the too easy finals).

Lebron? got to just 5 finals despite having the HCA 7 times, won just 2 out of 5, one against a young thunder team and one because Ray allen saved his freakin ass.

he is not a poor leader, he is proving time after time that he is the great sidekick, but he refuse to accept that, thats why Dirk will retire as a champion, poor Wade.

[f0und]

@ these bran stans.

glad heat fans dont have to be lumped in with their idiocy anymore.

[pegasus]

That's the hilarious part. Lebron has been carefully orchestrating his career since the decision and trying to stack the odds in his favor. Now he has to face potentially a messy situation in Cleveland, where the only option for him to win championships might be for him to leave again.

Oh my, what drama that would make.

I have a feeling Lebron's PR team will soon start fabricating some stories that he can use in the off-season to justify his leaving again. It will be hilarious.

[Elosha]

We can talk about Lebron's teammates all we want; there are some legitimate criticisms to be made. But Lebron himself needs to be taken to task; his poor play is a large reason why the Cavs sit two games below five hundred. That's not to say that Lebron can't/won't start playing better; he likely will. However, this poor start will likely come back to haunt the Cavs, they may finish as a fourth or fifth seed and have to win series on the road. Not a good position to be in when two of the "Big Three" have yet to even sniff the playoffs.

Lebron's skills and physical abilities seem to be slowly deteriorating, but it's far too early to draw any major conclusions. Even if he has a poor (by his standards) entire year, he could still come back strong in subsequent years. However, Lebron really relies on his athleticism to score to a greater degree than other greats. There are still holes in his game when it comes to skill level that may make it hard for him to remain truly elite as his explosiveness fades. He may need to develop into a more all around facilitator as he ages, maybe akin to a less explosive version of Pippen. Time will tell...

[SpanishACB]

"learning to win" is a bullshit argument generated by the media because they need things to talk about the cavs all day

they just need to learn how to play

[JtotheIzzo]

Funny how the guy with the great bball IQ, the guy who manages his image so carefully could overlook such a fundamental aspect to a player's make up, but somehow Bran got caught napping and he is paying the price now.

The Cavs core players (Love, Irving, Thompson, and Waiters) have never played on a playoff team, they haven't a clue how to win and they are plenty comfortable producing and plowing through the season. You see, these guys don't know how to win, and it is going to take them a long time to change their entire NBA makeover to that of a winner because they have all received praise and accolades without ever doing anything of note. Not having that knowledge and feel for what it takes to win (due to never experiencing it) is a huge detriment and it may take a couple of seasons for Bran to teach them (though by shipping Wiggins and Bennett out of town, its obvious the last thing Bran wants to do is teach or mentor).

In Miami Bran had Wade (heart of a lion and a champion), Ray Allen (so clutch and a champion), high character guys like Miller and Battier and dogs like Birdman and Haslem, in Cleveland he has an older Miller, brittle Andy and Shawn Marion.

With an unwilling leader like Bran, a club with a culture of losing and a rookie coach from Euroland, it is going to be really difficult to make sweeping attitudinal changes in Cleveland.

We really should have seen this coming. They can sort it out, but it might be more difficult than people thought.

Its like I could see the future...

[El Gato Negro]

Its like I could see the future...

You do realize your boy Wiggins playing for the worst franchise in the NBA is learning the same losing habits? Also few franchises are worse than the cavs but the wolves have no leg to stand on. This year makes 11 straight no playoffs and with the west the way it is could be another 10 without seeing a playoff game.

[JtotheIzzo]

You do realize your boy Wiggins playing for the worst franchise in the NBA is learning the same losing habits? Also few franchises are worse than the cavs but the wolves have no leg to stand on. This year makes 11 straight no playoffs and with the west the way it is could be another 10 without seeing a playoff game.

but lets not compare apples to oranges.

Wiggins is 19 playing on a team that is missing all 5 starters from last year and their 3 most important veterans are injured while the fourth was traded.

This year is all about Wiggins, Lavine, Dieng, Muhammed and Bennett getting reps, winning isn't even in the cards, it would be nice to win a few games, but the focus is getting better, not trying to squeeze out wins.

Love, Irving et al have played on teams that fell well short of expectations, Love and Irving have both been highly touted as world class 'Dream Team' level players and Love was solidly considered a top ten player in the off season while Irving was rising up the PG rankings.

Comparing compilers to a rookie learning the ropes is ridiculous.

Troy Aikmen and Emmitt Smith were 1-15 in Aikmen's rookie year with the Cowboys, the idea was let the kids learn a few hard lessons.

Hopefully you can see this.

[El Gato Negro]

but lets not compare apples to oranges.

Wiggins is 19 playing on a team that is missing all 5 starters from last year and their 3 most important veterans are injured while the fourth was traded.

This year is all about Wiggins, Lavine, Dieng, Muhammed and Bennett getting reps, winning isn't even in the cards, it would be nice to win a few games, but the focus is getting better, not trying to squeeze out wins.

Love, Irving et al have played on teams that fell well short of expectations, Love and Irving have both been highly touted as world class 'Dream Team' level players and Love was solidly considered a top ten player in the off season while Irving was rising up the PG rankings.

Comparing compilers to a rookie learning the ropes is ridiculous.

Troy Aikmen and Emmitt Smith were 1-15 in Aikmen's rookie year with the Cowboys, the idea was let the kids learn a few hard lessons.

Hopefully you can see this.

learning bad losing habits is learning losing habits love learned his losing habits from the wolves, who is going to teach Wiggins how to win on the wolves? They are full of career losers as well.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Yeah he did, which is part of the problem now as being a great talent, he sees no reason to change, no need to improve, he is doing his thing, can't see the forest for the trees. Don't get me wrong, I am sure Kyrie wants to win, but he needs to learn how.

Right now this is his production in the grander scheme:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CLE/2014.html

[GimmeThat]

the media talked about phil jacksons coaching tree the other day.

Yet it somehow forgot to mention who/why Phil Jackson consistently hire those personnel in his route to contend for a title.