Looking back Michael Jeffrey didnt deserve DPOY in 88

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Pat Patterson

[lilteapot]

But that's Charles Barkley

[feyki]

Pat Patterson

Patrick Petterson .

[3ball]

Oakley had a very good defensive impact.

His departure to NY was the reason the Bulls lost 3 MORE games in 1989, even though Pip and Grant became starters that year.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Oakley had a very good defensive impact.

His departure to NY was the reason the Bulls lost 3 MORE games in 1989, even though Pip and Grant became starters that year.

u actually givin Oak props

[3ball]

u actually givin Oak props

Don't get it twisted - Jordan still had the greater defensive impact because there's an important concept to consider when comparing the defensive impact of guards to big men that most people aren't aware of:

Teams realize no ADVANTAGE from a center's defensive impact anytime it's matched or exceeded by the opposing team's center - this goes for all positions.

Accordingly, Oakley provided less defensive impact to his team than Jordan in 1988, since his impact was cancelled out by his opposing matchup more than Jordan's was - Jordan's defensive impact ranked higher among SG's (#1) than Oakley ranked among PF's (top 10), so Jordan maintained a bigger defensive impact advantage over his matchup, than Oakley had over his.

To illustrate, look at the Ray Allen vs. Jordan defensive box score comparison (-1.3 to Jordan's 1.1) and then look at Ray's teammate, center Ervin Johnson vs. Shaq (2.6 to Shaq's 1.6).. Now who provided the greater defensive impact to their team?????.. Obviously, it was Jordan - again, Shaq's team realizes no ADVANTAGE from his defensive impact anytime it's matched or exceeded by the opposing team's center.

[Poetry]

MJ, Pip, and Hakeem are the only players to ever record 200 steals and 100 blocks in a single season. It's only been done 4 times ever (since stats were recorded).

MJ did it twice.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Don't get it twisted - Jordan still had the greater defensive impact because there's an important concept to consider when comparing the defensive impact of guards to big men that most people aren't aware of:

Teams realize no ADVANTAGE from a center's defensive impact anytime it's matched or exceeded by the opposing team's center - this goes for all positions.

Accordingly, Oakley provided less defensive impact to his team than Jordan in 1988, since his impact was cancelled out by his opposing matchup more than Jordan's was - Jordan's defensive impact ranked higher among SG's (#1) than Oakley ranked among PF's (top 10), so Jordan maintained a bigger defensive impact advantage over his matchup, than Oakley had over his.

To illustrate, look at the Ray Allen vs. Jordan defensive box score comparison (-1.3 to Jordan's 1.1) and then look at Ray's teammate, center Ervin Johnson vs. Shaq (2.6 to Shaq's 1.6).. Now who provided the greater defensive impact to their team?????.. Obviously, it was Jordan - again, Shaq's team realizes no ADVANTAGE from his defensive impact anytime it's matched or exceeded by the opposing team's center.

Sounds like excuses and poor reasoning to me

still dont explain how they dropped off from top 3 to not even top 10 at all on D without Oak

and im glad we all agree Hakeem, Pat, Mark>>> MJ on defense in 88

[3ball]

Sounds like excuses and poor reasoning to me

Actually, it's pretty good reasoning..

Btw, I used the defensive boxscore stat to measure defensive impact because the verbage "defensive box score" makes it easy to conceptualize the advantage in defensive impact that a player can provide.. But ANY stat/methodology could be used to measure defensive impact - the main point is that the nba's TOP defenders at their position (Jordan, Rodman) provided their teams with a bigger advantage in defensive impact over their matchup, then lesser defenders Shaq or Oakley provided over theirs.

still dont explain how they dropped off from top 3 to not even top 10 at all on D without Oak

blame Pippen and Horace Grant - they were the ones that became starters in 1989 and replaced Oak

also, Jordan played point guard for 24 games in 1989 - I'm guessing his defensive impact was less at PG than at SG, where he can roam more and doesn't have to guard the ballhandler as much.

and im glad we all agree Hakeem, Pat, Mark>>> MJ on defense in 88

I'd agree in any other year... But not 1988, which was easily Jordan's best defensive season.

In that season, Jordan held a LARGER advantage over other SG's than Hakeem and company held over other centers.

But normally, I'd agree that Hakeem and company have greater defensive impact (a larger advantage over their opposing matchup than Jordan had over his).

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

I'd agree in any other year... But not 1988, which was easily Jordan's best defensive season.

In that season, Jordan held a LARGER advantage over other SG's than Hakeem and company held over other centers.

But normally, I'd agree that Hakeem and company have greater defensive impact (a larger advantage over their opposing matchup than Jordan had over his).

88 wasnt MJs best defensive year. He was easily better from 90-92. MJ and Phil himself would tell u the same. And i know u know this too and are only defending 88 b/c u know he didnt deserve DPOY

[G-train]

Michael Jordan was unbelievable defensively that season.
He was everywhere.

He had 37 votes, and second was Eaton with 9. No one had seen a guard play like that defensively. He was a deserving winner.

[bballnoob1192]

Who is pat ?

yall telling me this ***** on a bball forum and don't know who the **** "pat" is?

[sportjames23]

Michael Jordan was unbelievable defensively that season.
He was everywhere.

He had 37 votes, and second was Eaton with 9. No one had seen a guard play like that defensively. He was a deserving winner.

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