Hakeem Olajuwon: 28/13/7/4/5 vs. Bulls (1992)

[jlauber]

That's questionable.We haven't seen prime Hakeem vs prime Shaq.

We saw a PRIME Hakeem vs. a very young Shaq in the '95 Finals. Hakeem outscored Shaq, per game, 32 ppg to 28 ppg, but that was only because he was shot-jacking (30 FGAs per game.) Shaq outrebounded Hakeem, outassisted Hakeem, outblocked Hakeem, made more FTs, and outshot Hakeem, by get this... a .595 to .483 margin.

[millwad]

We saw a PRIME Hakeem vs. a very young Shaq in the '95 Finals. Hakeem outscored Shaq, per game, 32 ppg to 28 ppg, but that was only because he was shot-jacking (30 FGAs per game.) Shaq outrebounded Hakeem, outassisted Hakeem, outblocked Hakeem, made more FTs, and outshot Hakeem, by get this... a .595 to .483 margin.

And you mean that he outplayed Hakeem while no one but you claim something like that?

In fact, you can't admit that Hakeem outplayed Shaq in the '95 finals when even Shaq himself and true Shaqfans like ShaqAttack on ISH say so.

But still, you are the first one to tell us about how Kareem got "CRUSHED" and "SCHOOLED" by Kareem in '72. The same season where Kareem averaged 40 points per game in regular season vs prime defensive WILT and then in the playoffs just abused him, averaging 23 more points PER GAME on BETTER FG% while also outassisting Wilt and shooting FT's twice as good in the series.

Jlauber, go and kill yourself..

[jlauber]

And you mean that he outplayed Hakeem while no one but you claim something like that?

In fact, you can't admit that Hakeem outplayed Shaq in the '95 finals when even Shaq himself and true Shaqfans like ShaqAttack on ISH say so.

But still, you are the first one to tell us about how Kareem got "CRUSHED" and "SCHOOLED" by Kareem in '72. The same season where Kareem averaged 40 points per game in regular season vs prime defensive WILT and then in the playoffs just abused him, averaging 23 more points PER GAME on BETTER FG% while also outassisting Wilt and shooting FT's twice as good in the series.

Jlauber, go and kill yourself..

An OLD Wilt held a PRIME Kareem to .464 shooting over the course of 28 H2H games (and in the playoffs Kareem could only shoot .481 and .457 against Wilt.) Hell, in Wilt's LAST season, a 36 year old Wilt, in six regular season H2H's with a 26 year old Kareem, outshot Kareem by an astonishing .737 to .450 margin...including outscoring him in one game 24-21, while ousthooting Kareem, 10-14 to 10-27. Of course, a more prime Wilt ABUSED Kareem in their one H2H in the '69-70 season, outscoring him, 25-23, outrebounding him, 25-20, and outshooting him, 9-14 to 9-21.

Meanwhile, we had a 38 year old Kareem, (yes a 38 year old Kareem), who could barely get off the ground to get 6 rpg...pour in THREE 40+ games against Hakeem, including one game in which he outscored Hakeem 46-18, and on 21-30 shooting, and in only 37 minutes.. Not only that, but in five H2H games in the '86 regular season, that 38 year old Kareem averaged 33 ppg on a staggering .634 FG% against Hakeem. Even in the playoffs, Hakeem could only outscore the 38 year old Kareem, 31-27 in a five game series.

BTW, in their 22 H2H battles from '86 thru '89, Kareem, from ages 38 thru 41, outshot a 23-26 year old Hakeem, by an eye-popping .599 to .495 margin.

That speaks volumes about who the REAL better defender was. Wilt was LIGHT YEARS ahead of Hakeem. And that wasn't even a PRIME Chamberlain, either.

[millwad]

An OLD Wilt held a PRIME Kareem to .464 shooting over the course of 28 H2H games (and in the playoffs Kareem could only shoot .481 and .457 against Wilt.) Meanwhile, we had a 38 year old Kareem, (yes a 38 year old Kareem), who could barely get off the ground to get 6 rpg...pour in THREE 40+ games against Hakeem, including one game in which he outscored Hakeem 46-18, and on 21-30 shooting, and in only 37 minutes.. Not only that, but in five H2H games in the '86 regular season, that 38 year old Kareem averaged 33 ppg on a staggering .634 FG% against Hakeem. Even in the playoffs, Hakeem could only outscore the 38 year old Kareem, 31-27 in a five game series.

Still comparing prime defensive Wilt with rookie and 2nd year pro Akeem, what a troll..

And poor little Jlauber also forgets how the 2nd year pro Akeem Olajuwon absolutely abused Kareem and the Lakers in the '86 playoffs, go and watch the tapes, cutie. Akeem abused them badly. I know you always forget the playoffs because it's when Wilt choked..

And prime defensive Wilt got abused by Kareem

Poor little Wilt got manhandled, crushed, abused, belittled by Kareem. Poor little Wilt never even lead a team in scoring and got a ring on the way out while not even being the best center in the league.

[millwad]

That speaks volumes about who the REAL better defender was. Wilt was LIGHT YEARS ahead of Hakeem. And that wasn't even a PRIME Chamberlain, either.

Prime defensive Wilt was Kareem's little toy.. Averaging 40 points per game on 50% shooting on prime defensive Wilt in the regular season of '72. The same season Wilt got his 2nd ring as a pathetic 4th option on offense, haha.. While Kareem outshot him in the playoffs while averaging 23 points more... PER GAME.. YOU TROLL.

Wilt in his stat prime was a choker and couldn't do crap, poor little Wilt got toy'd by the Celtics time after time and fact still remains that Wilt was the greatest FT-choker in league history and he couldn't win crap before others took over the scoring.

NAW....

[jlauber]

Still comparing prime defensive Wilt with rookie and 2nd year pro Akeem, what a troll..

And poor little Jlauber also forgets how the 2nd year pro Akeem Olajuwon absolutely abused Kareem and the Lakers in the '86 playoffs, go and watch the tapes, cutie. Akeem abused them badly. I know you always forget the playoffs because it's when Wilt choked..

And prime defensive Wilt got abused by Kareem

Poor little Wilt got manhandled, crushed, abused, belittled by Kareem. Poor little Wilt never even lead a team in scoring and got a ring on the way out while not even being the best center in the league.

Wilt was NOT in his defensive PRIME in '72, although he was the best defensive player in the league (which had the likes of Thurmond, Lanier, Cowens, and Kareem.)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...ws_season.html

As you can plainly see, Wilt was in his defensive PRIME in the mid-60's, when he was DESTROYING the SAME centers WAY beyond what a PRIME Kareem could. Scoring 40-50-60-and 70 point games against the likes of Bellamy, Reed, and Thurmond...as well as hanging 24 40+ point games on Russell, with FIVE of over 50, and even one of 62!

A PRIME Wilt would have just CRUSHED a PRIME Hakeem, who couldn't even guard a 38 year old Kareem, and was dominated by Shaq in BOTH '95 and '99 in the playoffs...and in fact, over the course of their ENTIRE H2H's.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...1&p2=onealsh01

[millwad]

Wilt was NOT in his defensive PRIME in '72, although he was the best defensive player in the league (which had the likes of Thurmond, Lanier, Cowens, and Kareem.)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...ws_season.html

Defensive win shares is garbage, Mikan over Howard...
A great majority claims that Wilt was in his defensive prime in '72 and still Kareem just abused him..

As you can plainly see, Wilt was in his defensive PRIME in the mid-60's, when he was DESTROYING the SAME centers WAY beyond what a PRIME Kareem could. Scoring 40-50-60-and 70 point games against the likes of Bellamy, Reed, and Thurmond...as well as hanging 24 40+ point games on Russell, with FIVE of over 50, and even one of 62!

OH GOD, did you get hard now?
Thurmond, Reed and Bellamy were not top 10 centers.

A PRIME Wilt would have just CRUSHED a PRIME Hakeem, who couldn't even guard a 38 year old Kareem, and was dominated by Shaq in BOTH '95 and '99 in the playoffs...and in fact, over the course of their ENTIRE H2H's.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...1&p2=onealsh01

Prime Wilt couldn't do shit without HOF:ers and all-stars, poor guy choked in the playoffs. The great scorer Wilt's career average is lower than Hakeem career average in scoring and also on lower FG%, you're a dick. And sure, talk about "Prime Wilt" now who couldn't win shit now..

And yeah, that you claim that Shaq dominated Hakeem in '95 says alot about you. I feel sorry for you, you know that? We all know that you are a lonely person and you have no job or family, we've confirmed that but trolling on the internet ain't gonna make you any happier, no one even likes you, you know that?

And it's funny, the dick Jlauber claims that Wilt "CRUSHED" and "ABUSED" Kareem in the playoffs of '72 while getting outscored with 23 points per game on better FG% but at the same time the poor lonely old fart can't even admit that Hakeem outplayed Shaq in '95..

And you dick, you cry like a baby when people mention '72 Wilt getting crushed by Kareem because of his age, but then you bring up 36 year old Hakeem in to the discussion...

[Tha Catalyst]

Wilt was NOT in his defensive PRIME in '72, although he was the best defensive player in the league (which had the likes of Thurmond, Lanier, Cowens, and Kareem.)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...ws_season.html

As you can plainly see, Wilt was in his defensive PRIME in the mid-60's, when he was DESTROYING the SAME centers WAY beyond what a PRIME Kareem could. Scoring 40-50-60-and 70 point games against the likes of Bellamy, Reed, and Thurmond...as well as hanging 24 40+ point games on Russell, with FIVE of over 50, and even one of 62!

A PRIME Wilt would have just CRUSHED a PRIME Hakeem, who couldn't even guard a 38 year old Kareem, and was dominated by Shaq in BOTH '95 and '99 in the playoffs...and in fact, over the course of their ENTIRE H2H's.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...1&p2=onealsh01

You obviously know lots about basketball history but Shaq didn't dominate Hakeem in 95 playoffs. Don't talk dribble. Your displaying trolling and just posting pure BS. He got outplayed, how in the world is that 'dominant' by Shaq. Revisionist history doesn't work when many people distinctly remember the series, actually watching the series. Rather than showing stats for comparison of level of play. Shaq did ok and held his own, but Hakeem was boss and even the less than modest Shaq recognizes that to this day.

[rodman91]

Difference between young Shaq & prime Shaq wasn't like day and night.Prime Shaq had better moves on post, better at passing out of double teaming.Young Shaq was more athletic, more hustler. He was dominant player since rookie year.

He was almost at his prime since rookie year.00's competition & Jackson's plays made real difference.

I think they would go toe to toe.

[Yung D-Will]

Difference between young Shaq & prime Shaq wasn't like day and night.Prime Shaq had better moves on post, better at passing out of double teaming.Young Shaq was more athletic, more hustler. He was dominant player since rookie year.

He was almost at his prime since rookie year.00's competition & Jackson's plays made real difference.

I think they would go toe to toe.

The biggest differnce is he became a much better passer and put on a lot of muscle

[32Dayz]

3rd Year Shaq arguably outplayed Hakeem in the Finals.
+ from 93-95 Shaq won around 70% of the times the two matched up with Shaq outplaying Hakeem.
I dont get people who actually think Hakeem was better then Shaq by 95 at best they were equal.

I might give Hakeem a slight edge in the 95 series because he stepped up in key moments but honestly that series was a complete wash between the two.

Prime Shaq >>> Any Version of Hakeem.

[jlauber]

Difference between young Shaq & prime Shaq wasn't like day and night.Prime Shaq had better moves on post, better at passing out of double teaming.Young Shaq was more athletic, more hustler. He was dominant player since rookie year.

He was almost at his prime since rookie year.00's competition & Jackson's plays made real difference.

I think they would go toe to toe.

Good points, but the 00's Shaq was about 50 lbs heavier and considerably stronger. The younger Shaq was more athletic, and was probably already the best center in the game, but by the 00's he was WAY better than any other center in the league.

[jlauber]

3rd Year Shaq arguably outplayed Hakeem in the Finals.
+ from 93-95 Shaq won around 70% of the times the two matched up with Shaq outplaying Hakeem.
I dont get people who actually think Hakeem was better then Shaq by 95 at best they were equal.

I might give Hakeem a slight edge in the 95 series because he stepped up in key moments but honestly that series was a complete wash between the two.

Prime Shaq >>> Any Version of Hakeem.

This.

[rodman91]

All these goat rankings and rings making look some players to much more superior to others.

Hakeem,Robinson,Shaq,Ewing were close back then.Today everybody is like Shaq or Hakeem were much more superior than Robinson,Ewing. Anybody who watched 90's unbias knows it is not true.

Similar to today people saying, Kobe is much more superior than prime Iverson,T-mac.Anybody watched 00's knows it is not true as well.

[jlauber]

All these goat rankings and rings making look some players to much more superior to others.

Hakeem,Robinson,Shaq,Ewing were close back then.Today everybody is like Shaq or Hakeem were much more superior than Robinson,Ewing. Anybody who watched 90's unbias knows it is not true.

Similar to today people saying, Kobe is much more superior than prime Iverson,T-mac.Anybody watched 00's knows it is not true as well.

Shaq was the most dominant big man of his era, and by a considerable margin. Hakeem was nowhere near as dominant, and was marginally better than Robinson and Ewing.