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11-29-2016, 09:56 PM
#106
NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Team assist rankings for Jordan and Lebron's teams
Originally Posted by 3ball
the best part of that video was wayans roasting Jordan at the end. Shit had me rolling.
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11-29-2016, 10:00 PM
#107
The Mind Fvcker
Re: Team assist rankings for Jordan and Lebron's teams
Originally Posted by 3ball
Secondly, I never said I could score on Lebron at will - you fabricated that and lied about what I said.
I was asked whether I could "get the step" on Lebron.
I just said this. Glad I'm not the only one that can see past AJ's bullshit. Everytime these stat nerds come on here trying to argue Lebron over Jordan they leave empty handed with nothing to show for it.
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11-29-2016, 10:17 PM
#108
NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Team assist rankings for Jordan and Lebron's teams
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Lebron lowered the APG (playmaking) of every key teammate, and increased their assisted rate (play-finishing):
[COLOR="White"]................................................[/COLOR]APG, ASSIST %[COLOR="White"]......[/COLOR] ASSISTED RATE
Wade [COLOR="Navy"]before[/COLOR] Lebron (04'-10'):[COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR] 6.6, 34.8%[COLOR="White"]..................[/COLOR]29.2% [COLOR="DarkGreen"]<---- links to nba.com data[/COLOR]
Wade [COLOR="DarkRed"]with[/COLOR][COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] Lebron (11'-14'):[COLOR="white"].....[/COLOR] 4.7, 25.5%[COLOR="white"]..................[/COLOR]40.3%
Irving [COLOR="Navy"]before[/COLOR] Lebron (12'-14'):[COLOR="white"]....[/COLOR] 5.8, 33.2%[COLOR="white"]..................[/COLOR]31.9%
Irving [COLOR="DarkRed"]with[/COLOR][COLOR="white"]...[/COLOR] Lebron[COLOR="white"]..[/COLOR] (15'-16'):[COLOR="white"]..[/COLOR] 5.0, 25.6%[COLOR="white"]..................[/COLOR]32.7%
Bosh [COLOR="Navy"]before[/COLOR] Lebron (04'-10'):[COLOR="white"]......[/COLOR] 2.2, 10.5%[COLOR="white"]..................[/COLOR]55.8%
Bosh [COLOR="DarkRed"]with[/COLOR][COLOR="white"]...[/COLOR] Lebron (11'-14'):[COLOR="white"]......[/COLOR] 1.6, 8.0%[COLOR="white"] ...................[/COLOR]71.6%
Love [COLOR="Navy"]before[/COLOR] Lebron (09'-14'):[COLOR="white"]......[/COLOR] 2.5, 13.0%[COLOR="white"]..................[/COLOR]62.7%
Love [COLOR="DarkRed"]with[/COLOR] [COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR]Lebron (15'-16'):[COLOR="white"]......[/COLOR] 2.3, 11.4%[COLOR="white"]..................[/COLOR]80.0%
Mo Will [COLOR="Navy"]before[/COLOR] Lebron (05'-08'):[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 5.7, 30.2%[COLOR="white"]..................[/COLOR]39.2%
Mo Will [COLOR="DarkRed"]with[/COLOR]... Lebron (09'-10'):[COLOR="white"]..[/COLOR] 4.6, 22.3%[COLOR="white"]..................[/COLOR]47.6%
So his teams always rank low in APG:
Cavs 2004:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 8th
Cavs 2005:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 6th
Cavs 2006:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 24th
Cavs 2007:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 15th
Cavs 2008:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 25th
Cavs 2009:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 20th
Cavs 2010:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 6th
Heat 2011:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 26th
Heat 2012:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 21st
Heat 2013:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 7th
Heat 2014:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 11th
Cavs 2015:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 10th
Cavs 2016:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 13th
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[COLOR="red"]14.8 average rank for Lebron's teams[/COLOR]
CONCLUSION: [COLOR="DarkGreen"]By reducing his team's APG and teamwork, Lebron needs excessive supporting talent to win (aka team-hopping)..[/COLOR]
And by reducing his team's APG and teamwork, he invariably loses to teams with SUPERIOR teamwork (see 2011 Mavs and 2014 Spurs, who won via superior teamwork, not talent)
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Last edited by 3ball; 11-29-2016 at 10:29 PM.
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11-29-2016, 10:18 PM
#109
NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Team assist rankings for Jordan and Lebron's teams
had to post that just for the record
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11-30-2016, 09:31 AM
#110
Laker Gang #COYG
Re: Team assist rankings for Jordan and Lebron's teams
You're still doing this?
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11-30-2016, 12:19 PM
#111
MH!
Re: Team assist rankings for Jordan and Lebron's teams
Originally Posted by 3ball
First of all, see this video:
Secondly, I never said I could score on Lebron at will - you fabricated that and lied about what I said.
I was asked whether I could "get the step" on Lebron.. Of course I could.. Non-NBA players are capable of getting the step on NBA players.. It isn't rocket science or amazing or anything - it's called basketball.. You should pick one up sometime..
I used to blow by Raja Bell on sheer athleticism (no handle).. Now that I've acquired an elite handle capable of virtually any move you see done by NBA point guards (and more, including the behind-the-back, gather-step shown in the previous gif), you're goddamm right I can get the step on Lebron.
Yeah, ok, 0ball. You've obviously never stepped away from a computer in your life and you've obviously never touched a basketball either. Keep living that delusional life though. If that really is you in the gif.... wow! Just wow! Anyone that garbage should never be allowed to touch a basketball in the first place.
I'll just leave this here:
Jordan marginalized his teammates and ALWAYS reduced their PPG, APG, and RPG. Players put up better numbers WITHOUT Jordan than they did WITH him. Case in point:
Horace Grant from '88-93 - 12/8
Horace Grant in 1994 - 15/11
Toni Kukoc from '96-'98 - 13/4/4
Toni Kukoc in 1999 - 19/7/5
BJ from '90-'93 - 9/3
BJ in 1994 - 15/4
Harper from '87-'94 - 19/5/5
Harper with Jordan - 8/3/3
Harper in '99 - 11/5/3
I'll add one more of Jordan's teammates:
Scottie Pippen from '88-'93 - 16/7/5
Scottie Pippen from '94-'95 - 22/8/5
FACT: MJ reduced his teammates' PPG, RPG, and APG.
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12-25-2020, 10:11 AM
#112
I go HAM
Re: Team assist rankings for Jordan and Lebron's teams
Originally Posted by 3ball
I'd beat you in flip-flops with one arm or maybe even on all jumpshots, depending on how offensively competent you are.
If Raja Bell, Richard Jefferson, Anthony Parker, John Salmons, Luke Walton, Richard Jefferson, and Zach Randolph couldn't hold me on the post, what are you going to do?
I remember Richard Jefferson was trying to guard me on the post and I was dropping him off, before his boy Walton had to tell him to step up his game.. Then I saw Jordan drop Jefferson for 40 at 40, and honestly, my experience with Rich took a little shine of Jordan's performance.. real talk... same thing when Kobe used to drop off Raj.. I was like, yeah, that's nothing, really.. tbh, kobe had to work harder to score on the post vs Raj than i did/would.. i can meet you in la or vegas.. or next time i'm in fl
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