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Old 09-07-2012, 07:01 PM   #1
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Default #1 NBA Player Peak Of All-Time According to InsideHoops

I figure this might be a nice accompaniment to the top players of all time thread series. I'm thinking about going 10 deep, but depending on how successful these threads are, that might change.

Peak is a very subjective term as it is, so feel free to use your own definition. Generally though, in my book a peak has to last slightly more than one year (to eliminate extreme outliers), and won't extend encompass a player's full prime. So I guess everything from Walton (maybe 2 years?) to Jordan (5-6 years, depending on definition) is fine for the purpose of these threads.

*NOTE: INCLUDE THE SEASONS YOUR PICK SPANS* (i.e. 00-02 Shaq)

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22 - Michael Jordan 90-93 (Deuce Bigalow, Optimus Prime, KG215, Young X, DatAsh, swi7ch, kuniva_dAMiGhTy, TheMan, Poochymama, tmacattack33, KOBE143, Freedom Kid7, magnax1, Timmy D for MVP, scandisk_, Boston C's, alenleomessi, v1ncelis, Heilige, Owl, KOBE143, AK47DR91)
19 - Shaquille O'Neal 99-02 (lilgodfather1, fpliii, Yao Ming's Foot, lakerspng, imdaman99, upside24, Carbine, RoundMoundOfReb, MiamiThrice, lilblingy, daily, shaq2000, pauk, Hands of Iron, CarlosBoozer, TerranOP, Vertical-24, joeyjoejoe, MisterAmazing)
5 - Wilt Chamberlain 65-68 (IGotACoolStory, Mr Know It All, Psileas, julizaver, dyna)
1 - Hakeem Olajuwon 93-96 (millwad)
1 - Kobe Bryant 06-09 (LamarOdom)

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Old 09-07-2012, 07:06 PM   #2
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Hard to argue against Wilt's numbers.
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Old 09-07-2012, 07:09 PM   #3
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Michael Jordan, 1987 to 1993.

Shaq had a great peak, and dominated the finals in 00-02, but Jordan dominated nearly every series throughout the playoffs and had the ability to take over games late. His numbers prove that.

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Old 09-07-2012, 07:10 PM   #4
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Lots of good candidates here. I would probably go with Jordan. Honorable mentions to Wilt and Shaq.

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Old 09-07-2012, 07:11 PM   #5
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Hard to argue against Wilt's numbers.

which timespan? some people (like myself) actually put his peak as his time with the Sixers

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Michael Jordan

Shaq had a great peak, and dominated the finals in 00-02, but Jordan dominated nearly every series throughout the playoffs and had the ability to take over games late. His numbers prove that.

Btw, do I need to pick a single season? Or just the player?
If it's a season then 1990-91 Michael Jordan is my vote.

ummmm, not a single season, but maybe the range you're talking about

Jordan from 87-92 is his peak in my book, but some people add 92-93 or 86-87

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Lots of good candidates here. I would probably go with Jordan. Honorable mentions to Wilt and Shaq.


which range? 87-92 or do you think he was still in his prime against Barkley (or do you include the 37ppg season too)?
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Old 09-07-2012, 07:13 PM   #6
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Wilt has insane numbers, although the pace certainly inflates them, Jordan has the titles, but to me Shaq was absolutely the best player ever in his prime. I have to vote the Diesel, but Jordan will definetly get voted in because of nestalgia (which hasn't set in with Shaq yet).
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Old 09-07-2012, 07:14 PM   #7
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which timespan? some people (like myself) actually put his peak as his time with the Sixers



ummmm, not a single season, but maybe the range you're talking about

Jordan from 87-92 is his peak in my book, but some people add 92-93 or 86-87



which range? 87-92 or do you think he was still in his prime against Barkley (or do you include the 37ppg season too)?


That sounds about right. I would say up to the first retirement.

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Old 09-07-2012, 07:16 PM   #8
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I'd vote for Jordan here, but Shaq at his peak was incredible, too.

But what Jordan did statistically and winning wise from '87-'93 was just incredible: 33.2 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 6.0 apg, 2.8 spg, 1.0 bpg, .515/.311/.846, .590 TS%, .528 eFG%, three rings, 3x FMVP, 3x MPV, etc.

I'll vote for Jordan, but can see the case for Shaq. Wilt statistically is overwhelming. I really think Bird and Hakeem are in the discussion, too. LeBron has worked his way into the top 3-5/7 peaks of all-time, too, in my opinion.

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Old 09-07-2012, 07:16 PM   #9
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Aren't we talking about a statistical and dominance type of peak? It would have to be 3 or 4 years into his career.
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Aren't we talking about a statistical and dominance type of peak? It would have to be 3 or 4 years into his career.

well peak is more than stats in my book, but that's a big part of it

I guess I'll just list the widely-accepted peak ranges in the OP with voting, and if people disagree we can always change it
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Shaq from 1999-00 to 2001-02.
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Old 09-07-2012, 07:24 PM   #12
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For Jordan, it's hard to leave out the '86-'87 and '92-'93 seasons. '86-'87 was his 37.1 ppg season.

It's hard, sometimes, to distinguish between peak and prime. To me peak is a players best 1-3 seasons or so, while their prime might be 5+ seasons, if that makes sense. For Jordan, he probably started peaking (especially statistically) during the '86-'87 or '87-'88 season. But I'm not sure he really started to "put it all together" until the '88-'89 season and I might consider that the start of his peak lasting through '92-'93.
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Old 09-07-2012, 07:27 PM   #13
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For Jordan, it's hard to leave out the '86-'87 and '92-'93 seasons. '86-'87 was his 37.1 ppg season.

It's hard, sometimes, to distinguish between peak and prime. To me peak is a players best 1-3 seasons or so, while their prime might be 5+ seasons, if that makes sense. For Jordan, he probably started peaking (especially statistically) during the '86-'87 or '87-'88 season. But I'm not sure he really started to "put it all together" until the '88-'89 season and I might consider that the start of his peak lasting through '92-'93.

that's a large part of why I created this thread

it'd be great to get some sort of consensus as to the years involved

to me a single year peak can just be considered an outlier, I wanted to deal with two years at a minimum

but with Jordan, at this point we're bordering on 7 seasons, which as you noted is too close to encompassing the entirety of his prime
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Olajuwon from 93-95
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Old 09-07-2012, 07:36 PM   #15
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that's a large part of why I created this thread

it'd be great to get some sort of consensus as to the years involved

to me a single year peak can just be considered an outlier, I wanted to deal with two years at a minimum

but with Jordan, at this point we're bordering on 7 seasons, which as you noted is too close to encompassing the entirety of his prime
It's Jordan. So his peak can be 7 seasons. You can't take away one of those season from '87-'93
'87 - 37.1 ppg, highest in the modern era
'88 - DPOY, MVP, 35.0 ppg on better efficiency than '87.
'89 - Best all around #s - 8 rpg, 8 apg, 2.9 spg. Playoff #s: 35-7-8 in 17 games.
'90 - 3rd highest ppg season. Playoff #s: 37-7-7 in 16 games
'91-'93 - 3-peat Champion, 3 Finals MVPs, 2 MVPs.
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