Kobe being held down individually by Shaq is way overblown

[AlphaWolf24]

What were his numbers in 03 without Shaq? Like 33/8/7, and once he adjusted his shot after adding all that muscle in the offseason his efficiency was off the chart too during the 40 point month

yes that was crazy...the greatest scoring period since Wilt.

[Lucifer]

No one's saying he was held completely down by Shaq, but if you think Kobe's stats would have been similar without Shaq when he was physically in his prime then your a damn fool ya mudblood!

[Artillery]

I agree. But you can say this about so many players, but its never mentioned. Its never talked about with Magic, Bird, Shaq, Duncan who all played on great teams for there whole career. But for Kobe, its ALWAYS mentioned.

It's always mentioned because Kobe's played with more talent than most other franchise players. He's had another All-NBA player beside him on EVERY one of his championship teams. The three seasons where he actually HAD to carry a bad team the Lakers either failed to make the playofffs or barely won 40 games en route to a first round exit.

[AlphaWolf24]

It's always mentioned because Kobe's played with more talent than most other franchise players. He's had another All-NBA player beside him on EVERY one of his championship teams. The three seasons where he actually HAD to carry a bad team the Lakers either failed to make the playofffs or barely won 40 games en route to a first round exit.

by "More" talent do you really mean "less" Talent...

He never had a player of chrich Bosh , James Worthy , Toni Kukoc or robert Parrish as a 3rd Option...

He had 40 year old Glenn Rice and Derek Fisher as 3rd options on championship teams...


please move along it's clear you have no clue.




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[guy]

When he got married he was content to let Shaq control the team. The point was repeatedly made in the media. In 2001 he was averaging 30 ppg before he got injured and decided to cut back. Yet you act as if he magically regressed in 2002.

I mentioned that I think he would've won in 2001. And yes, he got injured, but that has nothing to do with Shaq.

In 2002, I don't think he magically regressed, but every year is different. The dynamics of the team was different, maybe some of that had to do with Kobe's personal life which had nothing to do with Shaq, and like I said in the 15 games Shaq didn't play he averaged 29 ppg, which was 2.4 ppg under AI's for the season.

My main point is all this talk alot of people have that Kobe would've accomplished so much more individually if it weren't for Shaq, to the point that it would rival Jordan and would've been greater for his legacy then winning 3 titles in his role, is extremely far-fetched and the evidence points to that.

[guy]

No one's saying he was held completely down by Shaq, but if you think Kobe's stats would have been similar without Shaq when he was physically in his prime then your a damn fool ya mudblood!

It would've been greater, but greater to the point that his legacy been higher keeping in mind alot of his team success would've been gone? Very doubtful.

[NumberSix]

Turning the table, wouldn't you agree that Shaq's legacy (whatever that means) wouldn't be the same without Kobe either? I thought so.

this.

[Artillery]

by "More" talent do you really mean "less" Talent...

He never had a player of chrich Bosh , James Worthy , Toni Kukoc or robert Parrish as a 3rd Option...

He had 40 year old Glenn Rice and Derek Fisher as 3rd options on championship teams...


please move along it's clear you have no clue.
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lol at the 3rd option argument. How many players get to coattail a top 10 HOF big man in his prime to three titles. Or be gifted an all-star/all-NBA big man after threatening to leave the team over the summer(going on a radio tour demaning a trade after not being able to tough it out with a weak supporting cast).

[OldSchoolBBall]

by "More" talent do you really mean "less" Talent...

He never had a player of chrich Bosh , James Worthy , Toni Kukoc or robert Parrish as a 3rd Option...

Lamar Odom is easily as good as Toni Kukoc, as is Bynum (though his attendance is spotty). Get real.

[Leviathon1121]

How many excuses and what if's does Kobe Bryant need from you guys? Holy shit it is comical.

[Boston C's]

Kobe could have replaced Snaq with a Euro like Big Z and still won multiple championships from 00 ' - 02'...

saying Kobe would not have won without Snaq is silly..and shows your bias once again..

infact...replace Snaq's ego with a soft Euro and Kobe wins more....not having to deal with snaq's personality issues.

shoot..in 2003 alone Kobe could have easily averaged over 35 PPG and won a Title if not for Snaq's outta shape behind holding him back.


Hayyyter

your bias is mind blowing

[Force]

Turning the table, wouldn't you agree that Shaq's legacy (whatever that means) wouldn't be the same without Kobe either? I thought so.

Prime Shaq wins at least 1 title with any of the top 5 guards. Even Vince Carter or Jerry Stackhouse could have traded places with Kobe on the same team and won at least 1 title.