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Embiid > Jokic
Re: Is Andrew Wiggins the second worst #1 overall pick ever?
I hate when people say "all-time" or "ever", then proceed to bring up only recent examples, and in this embarrassing case, literally the last two #1 picks, Bennett will have some steep competition for this distinction with Kwame Brown and Olowokandi. And the biggest #1 draft bust imo is LaRue Martin
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Great college starter
Re: Is Andrew Wiggins the second worst #1 overall pick ever?
Originally Posted by FireDavidKahn
As for Wiggins, he has upper tier athleticism and is a decent defender already. He also has a great step back jumper already as a rookie. After a few more years it will be one of the best moves in the NBA.
Obviously he isn't a finished project and everyone knew he was more raw than Embiid and Parker, and shouldn't be shocked that he isn't as effective as Parker. He still has problems being passive but his #1 issue is his handling. He can't do anything with it right now. It kills his game since he is essentially relegated to straight line drivers or having to take a step back jumper (which is ironically his strength). Because he can't handle the ball he can't assist since he basically cannot move with the ball.
Everything stems from ballhandling. If/when he can figure that out he will be an all star or even more.
All that people should expect from Wiggins right now in his rookie season is showing flashes of what he can do. Learning how to dribble and handle the ball better will be emphasized in the offseason.
I agree with everything you said and it'd almost verbatim what David Thorpe on Truhoop TV. Dunno if you watched that but he said the exact sw thing. He's one of the best athletes and he can shoot. When he learns how to dribble he'll be a lot different. I said that he would average no more than 16pts this year before the draft. He's already a very good defender. He's a kid and he's learning. He's going to be really good. Bennett too.
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#Treble
Re: Is Andrew Wiggins the second worst #1 overall pick ever?
Remember when ppl are saying the Cavs shouldn't trade him for Love?
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College star
Re: Is Andrew Wiggins the second worst #1 overall pick ever?
A player needs at least three years before he can be dubbed a bust imo. All the experts said if you wanted someone NBA ready, go with Parker. So far, sure looks like the case. I still think Wiggins has potential to be great. Its unfair to judge him because people on here have been calling him the next LeBron for about 3 years, when he was still in high school.
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NBA Legend
Re: Is Andrew Wiggins the second worst #1 overall pick ever?
Ball handling is one of the hardest skills to develop as you get older. Even at 19 it's hard. He might never become even an average ball handler.
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Re: Is Andrew Wiggins the second worst #1 overall pick ever?
So far, his crack head daddy was a better player.
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3-time NBA All-Star
Re: Is Andrew Wiggins the second worst #1 overall pick ever?
in before Wiggins goes off tonight!!
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College star
Re: Is Andrew Wiggins the second worst #1 overall pick ever?
Originally Posted by FKAri
Ball handling is one of the hardest skills to develop as you get older. Even at 19 it's hard. He might never become even an average ball handler.
This.
Maybe 1 out of 50 players "magically" gain superstar handles after entering the league. I don't think anyone in the history in the NBA with elite handles has had handles as raw as Wiggins' at age 19.
If you don't have NBA PG/1st option level handles at age 19/20, you'll probably never reach that level.
People were memorized by athleticism, but forgot that basketball is about dribbling and putting the ball through the hoop.
Wiggins is on pace to become a bust.
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Curry fam
Re: Is Andrew Wiggins the second worst #1 overall pick ever?
Originally Posted by FKAri
Ball handling is one of the hardest skills to develop as you get older. Even at 19 it's hard. He might never become even an average ball handler.
This. Ball handling has a strong genetic coordination element.
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Is Andrew Wiggins the second worst #1 overall pick ever?
Originally Posted by FKAri
Ball handling is one of the hardest skills to develop as you get older. Even at 19 it's hard. He might never become even an average ball handler.
that being said, i think wiggins will be a solid pro and has some upside.. but he's canadian... so i think his focus is hampered a bit while he gets used to the exchange rate ;)
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The Puppeteer
Re: Is Andrew Wiggins the second worst #1 overall pick ever?
Originally Posted by FKAri
Ball handling is one of the hardest skills to develop as you get older. Even at 19 it's hard. He might never become even an average ball handler.
Learning to shoot is exponentially harder than learning how to dribble
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The Puppeteer
Re: Is Andrew Wiggins the second worst #1 overall pick ever?
Originally Posted by IGOTGAME
in before Wiggins goes off tonight!!
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High School Varsity 6th Man
Re: Is Andrew Wiggins the second worst #1 overall pick ever?
Originally Posted by Smook A.
19 years old
20 pro games played
Averaging 12 ppg/3.6 rpg/1.3 apg/1.1 on 46% TS, and according to you he's already a bust
bbb..bb..but PER, WS
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Verticle?
Re: Is Andrew Wiggins the second worst #1 overall pick ever?
Originally Posted by noob cake
This.
Maybe 1 out of 50 players "magically" gain superstar handles after entering the league. I don't think anyone in the history in the NBA with elite handles has had handles as raw as Wiggins' at age 19.
If you don't have NBA PG/1st option level handles at age 19/20, you'll probably never reach that level.
People were memorized by athleticism, but forgot that basketball is about dribbling and putting the ball through the hoop.
Wiggins is on pace to become a bust.
You know jack shit about basketball.
Even with his current play he is an average player, yet we are going to consider him a bust.
Kick rocks kid.
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Good High School Starter
Re: Is Andrew Wiggins the second worst #1 overall pick ever?
His shooting and ft % will improve next year. His 3p% is pretty good at .414. So worst case scenario he's going to score 15ppg next year. During his peak he's going to put up 18/5/2/1.5. So not exactly as good as the hype but solid and he may be a valuable journeyman. My biggest concern is his defense. He was hyped to have great defense and sure he is quick and has the physical gifts but he's not intimidating anyone with contact. If he keeps shying away from contact opponents are going to walk all over him.
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