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Old 08-16-2019, 12:56 PM   #31
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Default Re: Morey "It's factual Harden is a better scorer than Jordan."

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Harden last year in the regular season is the only year he has that can match prime MJ.

Defense isn't allowed and he was still worse.

Get a grip.
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Old 08-16-2019, 12:59 PM   #32
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Default Re: Morey "It's factual Harden is a better scorer than Jordan."

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Morey might be the most overrated person in the NBA. For someone thatís never even gotten to a Finals, Iím not sure why so many people take his wisdom that seriously.

You should look at his record. He inherited a team with Yao and Tmac as the best players and lost both to career ending injuries. He has turned over the roster several times but has never had a losing record, in the west.

This comment was ill advised at best but he has a very strong record as a GM.
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Old 08-16-2019, 01:18 PM   #33
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Defense isn't allowed and he was still worse.

Get a grip.

Harden made like 85% of his shots off ISOs...can't defend that in any era especially he Harden is shooting long range threes like he did last year.

You are just a ***** afraid of the world.
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Old 08-16-2019, 02:09 PM   #34
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Default Re: Morey "It's factual Harden is a better scorer than Jordan."

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You should look at his record. He inherited a team with Yao and Tmac as the best players and lost both to career ending injuries. He has turned over the roster several times but has never had a losing record, in the west.

This comment was ill advised at best but he has a very strong record as a GM.

Heís a good GM, never said he wasnít. But heís not anymore successful then plenty of other GMs that arenít considered these analytics gurus. Comments like this basically says he 100% relies on analytics, when it shouldnít be that way since the game is clearly more nuanced and complex then that, but nerds eat it up.

And yes of course obviously analytics is a big reason heís successful but talent is going to be correlated with advanced statistics anyway, so itís not really saying a whole lot.
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Old 08-16-2019, 02:10 PM   #35
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Doesn't matter since the stats were obtained in totally different circumstances.

This, which is why itís idiotic to say itís factual.
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Old 08-16-2019, 02:14 PM   #36
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Default Re: Morey "It's factual Harden is a better scorer than Jordan."

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Doesn't matter since the stats were obtained in totally different circumstances.
Well, in that case, no one is a better scorer than anyone since everyone has different circumstances.
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Old 08-16-2019, 02:18 PM   #37
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Default Re: Morey "It's factual Harden is a better scorer than Jordan."

Spamming 3s in the regular season doesn't make you a better scorer than Jordan.

Harden in the playoffs as the man:

39%
38%
44%
41%
41%
41%
41%

b-b-but he shoots so many 3s, ofc his shooting percentages are gonna be lower!!... except he's also terrible from 3 in the playoffs.

34%
30%
38%
31%
28%
30%
35%

Harden is a regular season player. Calling him a better scorer than the greatest playoff scorer of all-time is amusing to say the least.
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Old 08-16-2019, 02:24 PM   #38
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Default Re: Morey "It's factual Harden is a better scorer than Jordan."

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Well, in that case, no one is a better scorer than anyone since everyone has different circumstances.


Bingo. Numbers aren't facts.
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Old 08-16-2019, 02:38 PM   #39
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Heís a good GM, never said he wasnít. But heís not anymore successful then plenty of other GMs that arenít considered these analytics gurus. Comments like this basically says he 100% relies on analytics, when it shouldnít be that way since the game is clearly more nuanced and complex then that, but nerds eat it up.

And yes of course obviously analytics is a big reason heís successful but talent is going to be correlated with advanced statistics anyway, so itís not really saying a whole lot.


Who are these "plenty" of GMs that are as successful as Morey?

I think he likes to pump up his players' ego in public. This isn't the first time he has done this with Harden. He completely dismissed any friction between Harden and Paul just weeks before he traded Paul. I don't think you can take his public comments at face value.

I think his problem is that his analytics are based too much on regular season games. Playoff games are different.

3pt shooting % goes down in the playoffs even though the best shooting teams are in the playoffs. Midrange shooting goes up in value (see Kawhi and KD last season) because good looks are harder to find from 3 and at the rim . I get the impression that his analysis doesn't take this into account. MDA doesn't seem to adjust his strategy in the playoffs either.
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Old 08-16-2019, 03:55 PM   #40
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Default Re: Morey "It's factual Harden is a better scorer than Jordan."

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Running right at you, stop on a dime behind-the-back, step-back from 30 feet...



Bang.


Now show all the 3 point clankers he had to take to make this one ill advised shot. I'll take MJ abusing Harden on defense in the post, off the dribble, from mid-range, and occasionally from 3 point range rather than Harden making a wild 30 point three pointer once in awhile or executing the only predictable go to move he has, the driving floater. Jordan was elite at scoring more than a dozen different ways. Harden has 2 or 3 at most, if not counting flopping.
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Old 08-16-2019, 05:23 PM   #41
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Default Re: Morey "It's factual Harden is a better scorer than Jordan."

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Well ya, at certain parts of the game. Mark Price is better than MJ at free throws.

People who missed watching MJ live can't have a better lifetime experience of being an NBA fan as opposed to someone who did watch MJ live.

Watching 3/9 just isn't the same. It's mediocre by comparison.

The list can go on and on.

Rebounding
Blocks
Assist
3 pt shot..

It is just like Wayne Gretzky.
Except his vision and anticipation, he was not the strongest, he was not the fastest, a lot of players shot harder and better than him, check better than him...
Well, if you put everything together, well, Gretzky was the best.

Anybody can score more than Jordan, more fancy than him, rebounding and block more than him, had more assist...
When you add up everything... Jordan is the best, still.
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Old 08-16-2019, 06:01 PM   #42
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The list can go on and on.

Rebounding
Blocks
Assist
3 pt shot..

It is just like Wayne Gretzky.
Except his vision and anticipation, he was not the strongest, he was not the fastest, a lot of players shot harder and better than him, check better than him...
Well, if you put everything together, well, Gretzky was the best.

Anybody can score more than Jordan, more fancy than him, rebounding and block more than him, had more assist...
When you add up everything... Jordan is the best, still.


Hockey is a little more segmented than basketball though...

Jordan might legit be the best at everything.
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Old 08-16-2019, 06:26 PM   #43
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Default Re: Morey "It's factual Harden is a better scorer than Jordan."

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Imagine Harden playing in the 90s hahahahahahaah

Someone post that gif

hand checking would eliminate 90% of his skill set
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Old 08-16-2019, 07:15 PM   #44
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Who are these "plenty" of GMs that are as successful as Morey?

I think he likes to pump up his players' ego in public. This isn't the first time he has done this with Harden. He completely dismissed any friction between Harden and Paul just weeks before he traded Paul. I don't think you can take his public comments at face value.

I think his problem is that his analytics are based too much on regular season games. Playoff games are different.

3pt shooting % goes down in the playoffs even though the best shooting teams are in the playoffs. Midrange shooting goes up in value (see Kawhi and KD last season) because good looks are harder to find from 3 and at the rim . I get the impression that his analysis doesn't take this into account. MDA doesn't seem to adjust his strategy in the playoffs either.

Bob Myers, RC Buford, Sam Presti, David Griffin, Donn Nelson, Pat Riley, Danny Ainge, Masai Ujiri all come to mind as GMs that have been at least as successful if not more then Daryl Morey.

Its just an asinine statement to make, and to your point, more ridiculous considering how relatively terrible Harden is in the playoffs. And MDA is a great analogy.
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Old 08-16-2019, 07:25 PM   #45
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"It's Factual, Daryl Morey has no d!@k." - Bill Murray
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