peak Bird vs peak Lebron

[Legends66NBA7]

You will say anything to hype those mid 90's Bulls teams.

True, it doesn't even need hype either.

They were easily one, if not the best dynasty, ever.

[tikay0]

Birds peak was higher but has LeBron reached his peak yet?

Why do people keep saying this? Lebron's been in the league for 10 years already. He's peaking as we speak.

[Legends66NBA7]

By any stretch of the imagination? So, in your mind, it's not even kind of close?

I think this has become the thing on ISH that gets on my nerves the most. One person picks their side, starts to argue, then goes far enough to say things like "by any stretch of the imagination" or "it's not even close" in arguments when is very, VERY close. I mean, at the absolute worst, even if you believe the answer is LeBron, there's no way you can pretend it's not close and expect people to take you seriously.

Yeah, I addressed that in my first post in this thread too. @ any of this not being close (unless it's obvious that it is not close). Stanning to another degree.

[KG215]

Birds peak was higher but has LeBron reached his peak yet?

It's hard to say with any absolute certainty, because other all-time greats have peaked around 29-32 years old, but LeBron is at that age where players reach their peak. I mean he could get better, it's not out of the question; but there's also a possibility this is the best version of LeBron.

[Greg Oden 50]

not even close...............

Bird is over LeBron forever

[tikay0]

It's hard to say with any absolute certainty, because other all-time greats have peaked around 29-32 years old, but LeBron is at that age where players reach their peak. I mean he could get better, it's not out of the question; but there's also a possibility this is the best version of LeBron.

Lebron came into the league as a HS player, and relies mainly on his athleticism. More wear and tear on his body from the start. Yes, he has the best PEDs money can buy, but honestly, his numbers aren't getting better than they currently are. He might be able to be more effective in the post, maybe, but I don't see it.

[Pushxx]

If I'm starting a franchise, I choose Bird over any other player, including MJ, Kareem, Russell, Wilt, Magic, and Shaq.

Out of the top 7, Bird would benefit the most from modern medicine and training, and the p[COLOR="Black"]u[/COLOR]ssy-ass league the NBA is now.

Bird's peak was out of this world. He proved himself against the best competition the league has ever seen.

[Rose'sACL]

of course these are not the exact copy but these are a few long passes from lebron and no it is not like bird's because he is the one outrunning the other team most of the times as he is the fastest guy on the team:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT-z...ailpage#t=443s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9CUVV-HmFM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT-z...ailpage#t=351s
If you are talking about touch passes, i will show you some:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT-z...ailpage#t=166s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT-z...ailpage#t=209s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT-z...ailpage#t=415s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT-z...ailpage#t=498s
These are all from the same video too. i am doing your work here as it is only a 9 min video which i posted before which you clearly didn't watch.
here are some passes in crowd:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT-z...ailpage#t=369s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT-z...ailpage#t=485s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT-z...ailpage#t=490s

Here is a great pass on the offensive rebound in the same video i posted before:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT-z...ailpage#t=220s
another :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT-z...ailpage#t=432s
Behind the back from same video which is only 9 mins long and you have problem watching it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT-z...ailpage#t=268s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT-z...ailpage#t=288s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT-z...ailpage#t=305s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT-z...ailpage#t=443s
If you are going to be as strict in your criteria show me some passes like these from bird :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT-z...ailpage#t=522s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT-z...ailpage#t=153s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT-z...ailpage#t=334s (don't give me an excuse that bird can't make that pass as he can't jump that high as jumping is a big part of basketball)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT-z...ailpage#t=452s

If you want to talk about 3 pointers, the video i posted in my last post has only 1 or 2 3-pointers.
just yesterday, miami was really bad from 3 pt range and most easy dunks birdman had were from passes from lebron.He had 10 assists in that game. stop talking like he is not a great passer to players in the paint. He has great strength in his wrist and is able to make really fast passes to 3 pt shooters which gives them a lot of time to shoot. Should he stop passing to them so that he could please you?
If you want to talk about video length, i am sure some lebron-stan will make a 10 hour video when he retires.

[Nuff Said]

bird himself said lebron is better

[LAZERUSS]

Very close. And in terms of career, Lebron will probably surpass Bird this season. From that point on, it will be a question of just how far up the list he moves before he retires.

[Trollsmasher]

People here claiming, that Bird's random throwing of Hale Mary passes to 2 teammates who were already waiting under the opposite basket in the moment he collected the rebound (seriously, what kind of pace is that? I am not even trying to imagine how dominate LeBron would be in an era where every other possession is a fastbreak) is better than LeBron's precise picking of halfcourt defense apart, are ridiculous

[Harison]

Only those who were born in the 90s and up would say LBJ is the GOAT SF. I started watching basketball in the 80s and can say without a doubt that Larry Legend is the GOAT SF. If someone needs an explanation why I say this then it's clear that someone has never seen prime Larry Legend.

What he said.

[dh144498]

Bird was not a better passer than LeBron, it's that simpple. And I don't believe he was a better rebounder either. Rebounding is all about effort. When LeBron puts the effort into it like he did in the 2012 playoffs he can rebound with the best of them, and that included many offensive rebounds and finishes.

[LAZERUSS]

Bird was the better rebounder, they were equals in passing, Lebron has been the better defender, and while Bird was the better shooter, Lebron has been the better pure scorer.

And on't forget that Lebron, barring injury, will be among the elite for the next several seasons. Furthermore, and given his staggering efficiency this season, he is likely to get better.

[KOBE143]

Battle for the GOAT era-specific player..

Who will win that title? LeBron or Bird..