simple reason why I think Jordan > Kobe or LeBron

[jzek]

Jordan never lost in the Finals and he was always the FMVP.

Kobe has 5 rings but he lost twice in the Finals and was FMVP only twice which means he got carried on the other 3 titles otherwise he would've won FMVP.

LBJ only has one ring and one FMVP and he has already lost in the Finals.

Thank you.

[NumberSix]

Robert Horry never lost in the finals either. 7 rings.

CP3 also, never lost in the finals.

[tikay0]

Lebron lost the 11' Finals on purpose because he didn't want Wade to get the FMVP. I'm sure of it.

Lebron is a mental midget.

[NumberSix]

Losing in the finals = more winning than losing in earlier rounds.

[razzredazzre]

Robert Horry never lost in the finals either. 7 rings.

CP3 also, never lost in the finals.

I know you're trying to make a point but really it's overused.... they're not in the same overall caliber players of the likes of Jordan, LeBron, Kobe, etc......

we're talking about who got the edge over someone when we're talking about "great" players..

[TheReal Kendall]

Russell got 11 rings though

[Kblaze8855]

My reasoning is also quite simple. He was more athletic than Kobe which allowed him to get to the basket at a better rate....and when combined with better shot selection it made him a more reliable scorer...which combined with better and more game in game out high level defense makes him a better player.

Far as Lebron....Jordan simply....either had a greater desire to win or at least played angrier which made him appear to. He was also a better midrange shooter, man to man defender, and less likely to defer to a worse player down the stretch. If Lebron had Jordans "Something to prove" mentality he might be Jordan good...if he also had a better 10-18 foot game.

As things are...Jordan is just better.

He could have won 1 ring or 35. I dont need that information to see who was best among those three.

[Bandito]

Losing in the finals = more winning than losing in earlier rounds.

That logic

[Mr. Jabbar]

there's a difference between losing a finals and single handedly costing your team a finals, lebron 2011 alone separates himself from kobe and jordan forever with this feat

[NumberSix]

That logic

Is it not true?

[#number6ix#]

My reasoning is also quite simple. He was more athletic than Kobe which allowed him to get to the basket at a better rate....and when combined with better shot selection it made him a more reliable scorer...which combined with better and more game in game out high level defense makes him a better player.

Far as Lebron....Jordan simply....either had a greater desire to win or at least played angrier which made him appear to. He was also a better midrange shooter, man to man defender, and less likely to defer to a worse player down the stretch. If Lebron had Jordans "Something to prove" mentality he might be Jordan good...if he also had a better 10-18 foot game.

As things are...Jordan is just better.

He could have won 1 ring or 35. I dont need that information to see who was best among those three.

Yet another great post by kblaze

[andgar923]

Jordan never lost in the Finals and he was always the FMVP.

Kobe has 5 rings but he lost twice in the Finals and was FMVP only twice which means he got carried on the other 3 titles otherwise he would've won FMVP.

LBJ only has one ring and one FMVP and he has already lost in the Finals.

Thank you.

Simple reason why I think MJ >> Kobe or Bron

Logic

[NumberSix]

So, Melo has better career than Durant though, right? Melo never lost a finals.

[DMAVS41]

Simple.

Not only was MJ the better player in terms of what he could do on the floor on both ends...but he has better career achievements and performances than either of them as well.

If said player is just flat out better in terms of impact on the court...any number of titles or fmvps should never change that.

I mean...are we going to start saying Duncan was better than MJ if we somehow wins 2 more rings or something? Of course not.

We all know MJ was a better player than Duncan. Just like anyone that watched Kobe and MJ...knows MJ was easily the better player.

Lebron is more difficult because at his best...he's the only player I've seen since around 1975 that could have the impact MJ did. But Lebron is often not at his best and doesn't have that "it" the same way MJ did. There are also more holes in Lebron's game as well.

But the way Lebron played last year and this year so far...he's the only player I've seen that should be on that MJ level.

But that is where career stuff comes in. The idea that MJ puts up a performance like Lebron in the 11 finals at any point in his career is laughable. So that should matter when comparing them.

[Bandito]

But the way Lebron played last year and this year so far...he's the only player I've seen that should be on that MJ level.

Honestly I think the same thing too. I wonder what was going through his mind when that happen. Is like he was blank or something. He didn't try to take over, or just chuck a lot of shots or nothing. He just disappeared. But boy DID he learn of that mistake...