Warner: NBA Will be Without a 20-10 Big Man for First Time

[Anaximandro1]

[QUOTE]More proof that the dominant NBA big man is as endangered as liberal Republicans: For the first time in league history, no player is going to average at least 20 points and 10 rebounds per game

Only 11 players are averaging 10 or more rebounds, and the highest scorer in that group is Golden State

[PJR]

That's pretty crazy. More evidence than ever that the NBA is a pick and roll league now.

[Graviton]

Rules don't benefit bigs nowaday, even if you had dominant big men they wouldn't have as much impact in the current league.

[SyRyanYang]

-the rules

[SacJB Shady]

Lee has the most 20-10 games. Round up to 19 and 11, that's equal to 20 and 10 basically

[Riley Martin]

What happened to Griffin? Wasn't he averaging 20/10 his first 2 seasons?

[bizil]

I happen to think guys like Ewing, Robinson, and Dream would be MORE DOMINANT today. Reason being all three were amongst the best faceup midrange shooters ever for 7 footers whose main position was center. Robinson and Dream were freak athletes who could get out and fill the lane great for big men. And all three would bang glass and were excellent rebounders. With the new defensive rules u can pack the paint easier. But once again, Dream, Pat, and D-Rob were very adept at passing out of a double team. I think eventually if u get big guys like those three, u will see them DOMINATE what we currently see in the L today. Howard in the mid 90's would have been at best the fifth or sixth best center in the L. Even at that point, u have guys like Zo, Brad Daugherty, Mutumbo, Smits, Divac, etc. U can make the argument that Zo, Mutumbo, and Brad Daugherty's peak values were HOF caliber. But once again the key with Pat, Dream, and Admiral is that they can DOMINATE scoring wise outside of the paint. Guys like Howard can't play outside of the paint and DOMINATE scoring.

[SyRyanYang]

What happened to Griffin? Wasn't he averaging 20/10 his first 2 seasons?

Reduced minutes, more focus on defense and setting up teammates.

[DuMa]

Kevin Love would be the only one averaging that if he was healthy.

[Graviton]

Reduced minutes, more focus on defense and setting up teammates.

And all that has led to ton of losses. For Clippers to go far Griffin needs to dominate, not be Carlos Boozer.

[wally_world]

Lee has the most 20-10 games. Round up to 19 and 11, that's equal to 20 and 10 basically

Yeah, which is basically 30/15

[Rubio2Gasol]

Hate when people say rules don't benefit bigs? Why should they? Why should big men be treated different from the rest of the league?

It's not difficult for big men to average 20/10....why don't they? because them averaging 20/10 doesn't benefit their team as much. Kevin love averages 20/12 when healthy, and his team would be better off with him averaging 18/12 and playing better D.

To me it's very simple....bigs don't post up anymore? Why? Because none are good enough to make that sort tactic worthwhile except maybe Bynum...so no one if going to have offenses running through them. It's harder to score because you can zone them.

Then there's the pick and roll dudes, if they good enough they can get the points and get the rebounds....but most of the time they too lazy to do both.Whose fault is that? the NBA?

A 38 year old Duncan is dominating this league, you think a 29 year old Duncan couldn't?

Give me a break.

[ILLsmak]

Hate when people say rules don't benefit bigs? Why should they? Why should big men be treated different from the rest of the league?

It's not difficult for big men to average 20/10....why don't they? because them averaging 20/10 doesn't benefit their team as much. Kevin love averages 20/12 when healthy, and his team would be better off with him averaging 18/12 and playing better D.

To me it's very simple....bigs don't post up anymore? Why? Because none are good enough to make that sort tactic worthwhile except maybe Bynum...so no one if going to have offenses running through them. It's harder to score because you can zone them.

Then there's the pick and roll dudes, if they good enough they can get the points and get the rebounds....but most of the time they too lazy to do both.Whose fault is that? the NBA?

A 38 year old Duncan is dominating this league, you think a 29 year old Duncan couldn't?

Give me a break.

5 second backdown, flopping. Zone D. Hack-a-...

Nobody wants the rules to benefit bigs, but it'd be nice if it was equal. It's just not. Rebounds are still happening but 20 point bigs aren't. Shit remember 25 point bigs? 30 point bigs?

-Smak

[bdreason]

That's what happens when the NBA continues to create rules that benefit perimeter players in the name of 'entertainment'.

[jstern]

A week ago I was looking at the top 20 players in PPG, 8 of them were point guards and none of them were center.

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