Lead the league in PER

[rlsmooth775]

Jordan 7
Lebron 6
Kobe 0

Why is kobe compared with these guys

[stalkerforlife]

Because PER was made up by a stat nerd that wanted drones to follow it and make him some money.

[kennethgriffin]

career per

1. Michael Jordan* 27.91
2. LeBron James 27.79
3. Shaquille O'Neal 26.43
4. David Robinson* 26.18
5. Wilt Chamberlain* 26.13
6. Chris Paul 25.59
7. Bob Pettit* 25.35
8. Dwyane Wade 25.29
9. Neil Johnston* 24.69
10. Charles Barkley* 24.63
11. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 24.58
12. Tim Duncan 24.56
13. Kevin Durant 24.53
14. Magic Johnson* 24.11
15. Karl Malone* 23.90
16. Hakeem Olajuwon* 23.59
17. Larry Bird* 23.50
18. Dirk Nowitzki 23.48
19. Kobe Bryant 23.36
20. Oscar Robertson* 23.17
21. Yao Ming 23.02
22. Kevin Garnett 22.92
23. Jerry West* 22.89
24. Elgin Baylor* 22.69
25. Moses Malone* 22.31
26. Tracy McGrady 22.13
27. Dwight Howard 22.09
28. Amar'e Stoudemire 22.03
29. Dolph Schayes* 21.98
30. Julius Erving* 21.97
31. John Stockton* 21.83
32. George Gervin* 21.74
33. Bob Lanier* 21.69
34. Dominique Wilkins* 21.56
35. Clyde Lovellette* 21.55
36. Adrian Dantley* 21.51
37. Pau Gasol 21.49
38. Harry Gallatin* 21.48
39. Manu Ginobili 21.46
40. Alonzo Mourning* 21.24
41. Carmelo Anthony 21.17
42. Clyde Drexler* 21.07
43. Patrick Ewing* 21.01
44. Dan Issel* 20.99
45. Chris Webber 20.94
46. Allen Iverson 20.92
47. Al Jefferson 20.84
48. John Drew 20.74
49. Bob McAdoo* 20.73
50. Elton Brand 20.72
51. Kevin Johnson 20.70
52. Chris Bosh 20.62
53. George Yardley* 20.51
54. Ed Macauley* 20.39
55. Paul Pierce 20.36
56. Larry Foust 20.19
57. Rick Barry* 20.16
58. Artis Gilmore* 20.16
59. Marques Johnson 20.11
60. Vince Carter 20.03
61. Kevin McHale* 20.02
62. LaMarcus Aldridge 19.98
63. Steve Nash 19.95
64. Larry Nance 19.92
65. Alex English* 19.87
66. Walt Bellamy* 19.84
67. Bob Cousy* 19.76
68. Terrell Brandon 19.69
69. David Thompson* 19.68
70. Carlos Boozer 19.66
71. Paul Arizin* 19.66
72. Mark Price 19.62
73. Gilbert Arenas 19.57
74. Zach Randolph 19.56
75. Cliff Hagan* 19.50
76. Sam Cassell 19.48
77. Michael Redd 19.48
78. Paul Westphal 19.43
79. Billy Cunningham* 19.38
80. Robert Parish* 19.22
81. David Lee 19.22
82. Bernard King* 19.18
83. Walt Frazier* 19.12
84. Deron Williams 19.12
85. Bailey Howell* 19.11
86. Tony Parker 19.08
87. Shawn Kemp 19.08
88. Walter Davis 19.07
89. Shawn Marion 19.03
90. Grant Hill 19.03
91. Mark Aguirre 19.02
92. Shareef Abdur-Rahim 19.02
93. Paul Millsap 18.92
94. Gary Payton* 18.88
95. Bill Russell* 18.87
96. Jerry Lucas* 18.86
97. David West 18.86
98. Brad Daugherty 18.85
99. Chauncey Billups 18.82
100. World B. Free 18.78
101. Chris Mullin* 18.78
102. Andrei Kirilenko 18.75
103. Stephon Marbury 18.74
104. Sidney Moncrief 18.69
105. Sam Jones* 18.68
106. Scottie Pippen* 18.63
107. Tim Hardaway 18.61
108. Vern Mikkelsen* 18.60
109. Willis Reed* 18.57
110. Ray Allen 18.56
111. George McGinnis 18.55
112. Gus Williams 18.51
113. Zydrunas Ilgauskas 18.49
114. Pete Maravich* 18.38
115. Kiki Vandeweghe 18.37
116. Reggie Miller* 18.36
117. Steve Francis 18.35
118. Alvan Adams 18.32
119. Terry Cummings 18.29
120. Bill Sharman* 18.21
121. Antawn Jamison 18.14
122. Isiah Thomas* 18.11



what a great formula

[SouBeachTalents]

career per

1. Michael Jordan* 27.91
2. LeBron James 27.79
3. Shaquille O'Neal 26.43
4. David Robinson* 26.18
5. Wilt Chamberlain* 26.13
6. Chris Paul 25.59
7. Bob Pettit* 25.35
8. Dwyane Wade 25.29
9. Neil Johnston* 24.69
10. Charles Barkley* 24.63
11. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 24.58
12. Tim Duncan 24.56
13. Kevin Durant 24.53
14. Magic Johnson* 24.11
15. Karl Malone* 23.90
16. Hakeem Olajuwon* 23.59
17. Larry Bird* 23.50
18. Dirk Nowitzki 23.48
19. Kobe Bryant 23.36
20. Oscar Robertson* 23.17
21. Yao Ming 23.02
22. Kevin Garnett 22.92
23. Jerry West* 22.89
24. Elgin Baylor* 22.69
25. Moses Malone* 22.31
26. Tracy McGrady 22.13
27. Dwight Howard 22.09
28. Amar'e Stoudemire 22.03
29. Dolph Schayes* 21.98
30. Julius Erving* 21.97
31. John Stockton* 21.83
32. George Gervin* 21.74
33. Bob Lanier* 21.69
34. Dominique Wilkins* 21.56
35. Clyde Lovellette* 21.55
36. Adrian Dantley* 21.51
37. Pau Gasol 21.49
38. Harry Gallatin* 21.48
39. Manu Ginobili 21.46
40. Alonzo Mourning* 21.24
41. Carmelo Anthony 21.17
42. Clyde Drexler* 21.07
43. Patrick Ewing* 21.01
44. Dan Issel* 20.99
45. Chris Webber 20.94
46. Allen Iverson 20.92
47. Al Jefferson 20.84
48. John Drew 20.74
49. Bob McAdoo* 20.73
50. Elton Brand 20.72
51. Kevin Johnson 20.70
52. Chris Bosh 20.62
53. George Yardley* 20.51
54. Ed Macauley* 20.39
55. Paul Pierce 20.36
56. Larry Foust 20.19
57. Rick Barry* 20.16
58. Artis Gilmore* 20.16
59. Marques Johnson 20.11
60. Vince Carter 20.03
61. Kevin McHale* 20.02
62. LaMarcus Aldridge 19.98
63. Steve Nash 19.95
64. Larry Nance 19.92
65. Alex English* 19.87
66. Walt Bellamy* 19.84
67. Bob Cousy* 19.76
68. Terrell Brandon 19.69
69. David Thompson* 19.68
70. Carlos Boozer 19.66
71. Paul Arizin* 19.66
72. Mark Price 19.62
73. Gilbert Arenas 19.57
74. Zach Randolph 19.56
75. Cliff Hagan* 19.50
76. Sam Cassell 19.48
77. Michael Redd 19.48
78. Paul Westphal 19.43
79. Billy Cunningham* 19.38
80. Robert Parish* 19.22
81. David Lee 19.22
82. Bernard King* 19.18
83. Walt Frazier* 19.12
84. Deron Williams 19.12
85. Bailey Howell* 19.11
86. Tony Parker 19.08
87. Shawn Kemp 19.08
88. Walter Davis 19.07
89. Shawn Marion 19.03
90. Grant Hill 19.03
91. Mark Aguirre 19.02
92. Shareef Abdur-Rahim 19.02
93. Paul Millsap 18.92
94. Gary Payton* 18.88
95. Bill Russell* 18.87
96. Jerry Lucas* 18.86
97. David West 18.86
98. Brad Daugherty 18.85
99. Chauncey Billups 18.82
100. World B. Free 18.78
101. Chris Mullin* 18.78
102. Andrei Kirilenko 18.75
103. Stephon Marbury 18.74
104. Sidney Moncrief 18.69
105. Sam Jones* 18.68
106. Scottie Pippen* 18.63
107. Tim Hardaway 18.61
108. Vern Mikkelsen* 18.60
109. Willis Reed* 18.57
110. Ray Allen 18.56
111. George McGinnis 18.55
112. Gus Williams 18.51
113. Zydrunas Ilgauskas 18.49
114. Pete Maravich* 18.38
115. Kiki Vandeweghe 18.37
116. Reggie Miller* 18.36
117. Steve Francis 18.35
118. Alvan Adams 18.32
119. Terry Cummings 18.29
120. Bill Sharman* 18.21
121. Antawn Jamison 18.14
122. Isiah Thomas* 18.11



what a great formula

Lol, when Russell came in 95th they should have just scrapped this thing or redid it

[kennethgriffin]

neil johnston > kareem, magic, bird, russell, kobe, duncan





cliff paul = top 6 player all time

[kennethgriffin]

Lol, when Russell came in 95th they should have just scrapped this thing or redid it

15/22/4 + best defensive player in the league + 11 rings = 95th best ever

[rlsmooth775]

neil johnston > kareem, magic, bird, russell, kobe, duncan





cliff paul = top 6 player all time

PER can be used when comparing superstars

[rlsmooth775]

Should you be top 10 if you never lead the league in PER

[VIntageNOvel]

career per

1. Michael Jordan* 27.91
2. LeBron James 27.79
3. Shaquille O'Neal 26.43
4. David Robinson* 26.18
5. Wilt Chamberlain* 26.13
6. Chris Paul 25.59
7. Bob Pettit* 25.35
8. Dwyane Wade 25.29
9. Neil Johnston* 24.69
10. Charles Barkley* 24.63
11. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 24.58
12. Tim Duncan 24.56
13. Kevin Durant 24.53
14. Magic Johnson* 24.11
15. Karl Malone* 23.90
16. Hakeem Olajuwon* 23.59
17. Larry Bird* 23.50
18. Dirk Nowitzki 23.48
19. Kobe Bryant 23.36
20. Oscar Robertson* 23.17
21. Yao Ming 23.02
22. Kevin Garnett 22.92
23. Jerry West* 22.89
24. Elgin Baylor* 22.69
25. Moses Malone* 22.31
26. Tracy McGrady 22.13
27. Dwight Howard 22.09
28. Amar'e Stoudemire 22.03
29. Dolph Schayes* 21.98
30. Julius Erving* 21.97
31. John Stockton* 21.83
32. George Gervin* 21.74
33. Bob Lanier* 21.69
34. Dominique Wilkins* 21.56
35. Clyde Lovellette* 21.55
36. Adrian Dantley* 21.51
37. Pau Gasol 21.49
38. Harry Gallatin* 21.48
39. Manu Ginobili 21.46
40. Alonzo Mourning* 21.24
41. Carmelo Anthony 21.17
42. Clyde Drexler* 21.07
43. Patrick Ewing* 21.01
44. Dan Issel* 20.99
45. Chris Webber 20.94
46. Allen Iverson 20.92
47. Al Jefferson 20.84
48. John Drew 20.74
49. Bob McAdoo* 20.73
50. Elton Brand 20.72
51. Kevin Johnson 20.70
52. Chris Bosh 20.62
53. George Yardley* 20.51
54. Ed Macauley* 20.39
55. Paul Pierce 20.36
56. Larry Foust 20.19
57. Rick Barry* 20.16
58. Artis Gilmore* 20.16
59. Marques Johnson 20.11
60. Vince Carter 20.03
61. Kevin McHale* 20.02
62. LaMarcus Aldridge 19.98
63. Steve Nash 19.95
64. Larry Nance 19.92
65. Alex English* 19.87
66. Walt Bellamy* 19.84
67. Bob Cousy* 19.76
68. Terrell Brandon 19.69
69. David Thompson* 19.68
70. Carlos Boozer 19.66
71. Paul Arizin* 19.66
72. Mark Price 19.62
73. Gilbert Arenas 19.57
74. Zach Randolph 19.56
75. Cliff Hagan* 19.50
76. Sam Cassell 19.48
77. Michael Redd 19.48
78. Paul Westphal 19.43
79. Billy Cunningham* 19.38
80. Robert Parish* 19.22
81. David Lee 19.22
82. Bernard King* 19.18
83. Walt Frazier* 19.12
84. Deron Williams 19.12
85. Bailey Howell* 19.11
86. Tony Parker 19.08
87. Shawn Kemp 19.08
88. Walter Davis 19.07
89. Shawn Marion 19.03
90. Grant Hill 19.03
91. Mark Aguirre 19.02
92. Shareef Abdur-Rahim 19.02
93. Paul Millsap 18.92
94. Gary Payton* 18.88
95. Bill Russell* 18.87
96. Jerry Lucas* 18.86
97. David West 18.86
98. Brad Daugherty 18.85
99. Chauncey Billups 18.82
100. World B. Free 18.78
101. Chris Mullin* 18.78
102. Andrei Kirilenko 18.75
103. Stephon Marbury 18.74
104. Sidney Moncrief 18.69
105. Sam Jones* 18.68
106. Scottie Pippen* 18.63
107. Tim Hardaway 18.61
108. Vern Mikkelsen* 18.60
109. Willis Reed* 18.57
110. Ray Allen 18.56
111. George McGinnis 18.55
112. Gus Williams 18.51
113. Zydrunas Ilgauskas 18.49
114. Pete Maravich* 18.38
115. Kiki Vandeweghe 18.37
116. Reggie Miller* 18.36
117. Steve Francis 18.35
118. Alvan Adams 18.32
119. Terry Cummings 18.29
120. Bill Sharman* 18.21
121. Antawn Jamison 18.14
122. Isiah Thomas* 18.11



what a great formula

[kennethgriffin]

PER can be used when comparing superstars

out of the 121 guys ahead of isiah thomas... how many of them are superstars and deserve to be ranked ahead of isiah thomas?

[SouBeachTalents]

out of the 121 guys ahead of isiah thomas... how many of them are superstars and deserve to be ranked ahead of isiah thomas?

Carlos Boozer

[rlsmooth775]

out of the 121 guys ahead of isiah thomas... how many of them are superstars and deserve to be ranked ahead of isiah thomas?

Isiah Thomas as a individual player wasn't that amazing his team success might put him ahead of players in a all time list but he wasn't this amazing once every 20 years player

[HOoopCityJones]

Damn ....PER making me rethink my Top ten.

David Robinson should be second All-time on everyone's list from now on.

[stalkerforlife]

[fpliii]

Lol, when Russell came in 95th they should have just scrapped this thing or redid it

PER doesn't exist before 77-78. basketball.reference.com just calculates it as if blocks, steals, turnovers, offensive rebounds are all zero before then (which hurts Russell, Wilt, Kareem a ton...we speculated about this last month, it probably adds 3-5 PER.