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sahelanthropus
Re: looking back at the mark jackson prediction from 2006. the world laughed. he didn't
Originally Posted by kennethgriffin
still LOL'ing at scottie pippens reply to mark jacksons prediction
basically saying ....sure he has 81 points. but he wont get past the first week of may ( without shaq )
obviously pippen thought he'd have kwame and smush for the next 9 years
give kobe what michael had... i.e. a stacked team like the 90's bulls ( pippen/rodman/kukoc/kerr/harper )
and he'l get 6 or more too LOL
griff - I'm putting together a new top 10 all-time list using new criteria
it's gonna be pretty epic
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Re: looking back at the mark jackson prediction from 2006. the world laughed. he didn't
Originally Posted by fpliii
griff - I'm putting together a new top 10 all-time list using new criteria
it's gonna be pretty epic
my criteria is #of rings by mvp+finals mvp winners... with all nba 1st teams as tie breakers ( and to have your rings count you have to be atleast a top 2 player )
#1 Russell
#2 Jordan
#3 Kareem
#4 Kobe
#5 Magic
#6 Shaq
#7 Duncan
#8 Bird
#9 Wilt
#10 Hakeem
and i credit russell with a finals mvp since he was named after the trophy
Last edited by kennethgriffin; 08-28-2012 at 04:26 PM.
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sahelanthropus
Re: looking back at the mark jackson prediction from 2006. the world laughed. he didn't
Originally Posted by kennethgriffin
my criteria is #of rings by mvp+finals mvp winners... with all nba 1st teams as tie breakers ( and to have your rings count you have to be atleast a top 2 player )
#1 Russell
#2 Jordan
#3 Kareem
#4 Kobe
#5 Magic
#6 Shaq
#7 Duncan
#9 Bird
#10 Wilt
and i credit russell with a finals mvp since he was named after the trophy
I'm basing it purely on the eye test
Dr. J is way up there (including his ABA years, no reason not to)
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I usually hit open layups
Re: looking back at the mark jackson prediction from 2006. the world laughed. he didn't
Originally Posted by kennethgriffin
my criteria is #of rings by mvp+finals mvp winners... with all nba 1st teams as tie breakers ( and to have your rings count you have to be atleast a top 2 player )
#1 Russell
#2 Jordan
#3 Kareem
#4 Kobe
#5 Magic
#6 Shaq
#7 Duncan
#9 Bird
#10 Wilt
and i credit russell with a finals mvp since he was named after the trophy
This is the most fabricated and dumbest list I've ever seen. This was purely made to glorify and build up Kobe.
A Kobe Stan would want to:
a.) put Kobe in top 5
b.) make sure Kobe is the greatest laker.
c.) put Shaq much further behind him.
d.) dumbest of all, make sure Jordan isn't #1 LOL.
Not to mention the disgrace to Bird and Duncan.
I find it funny too that you put Bird 9th even though he has the same number of finals MVPs as Kobe and way more regular season MVPs plus much more impressive stats and incredible turnaround of a franchise.
Last edited by CTulc; 08-28-2012 at 04:24 PM.
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Re: looking back at the mark jackson prediction from 2006. the world laughed. he didn't
Originally Posted by fpliii
I'm basing it purely on the eye test
Dr. J is way up there (including his ABA years, no reason not to)
if his aba days counted he would easly be a top 7-8 player ever
but the aba as a league was a joke. it had some great teams and great players. but the bad competition was so bad that it kind of messed with the players stats. and it was verrrry easy to make the all aba teams if you were a good player because there werent that many... probably every great player they had made the 1st or 2nd team lol
i don't count anything a player did in the ABA
erving is at best a top 13-15 player IMO
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sahelanthropus
Re: looking back at the mark jackson prediction from 2006. the world laughed. he didn't
Originally Posted by kennethgriffin
if his aba days counted he would easly be a top 7-8 player ever
but the aba as a league was a joke. it had some great teams and great players. but the bad competition was so bad that it kind of messed with the players stats. and it was verrrry easy to make the all aba teams if you were a good player because there werent that many... probably every great player they had made the 1st or 2nd team lol
i don't count anything a player did in the ABA
that's not accurate at all, for the most part
when it first came around, yeah it sucked, but they still had guys like Hawk and Barry
it wasn't a joke when Dr. J played from 71-76, unless you believe the NBA was a joke during the same time
I count Dr. J's stats the same as I do Kareem's pre-merger, but my new list isn't about stats, MVPs, or championships...it's just about overall impression
after I put together the initial list to use as a base, I can adjust for rings and accomplishments
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Re: looking back at the mark jackson prediction from 2006. the world laughed. he didn't
Originally Posted by CTulc
This is the most fabricated and dumbest list I've ever seen. This was purely made to glorify and build up Kobe.
A Kobe Stan would want to:
a.) put Kobe in top 5
b.) make sure Kobe is the greatest laker.
c.) put Shaq much further behind him.
d.) dumbest of all, make sure Jordan isn't #1 LOL.
Not to mention the disgrace to Bird and Duncan.
well for one i meant to put hakeem at #10
#1 Russell
#2 Jordan
#3 Kareem
#4 Kobe
#5 Magic
#6 Shaq
#7 Duncan
#8 Bird
#9 Wilt
#10 Hakeem
my list is pretty much the exact same as the one voted on by the people of ISH on those daily voting threads
only difference is its more consistant with an actual criteria... the players are all the same. just 1 or 2 guys flipped... so whats the big difference?
this is how they should be judged
#of rings by mvp/finals mvps is basically the only thing that makes sense
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Re: looking back at the mark jackson prediction from 2006. the world laughed. he didn't
Originally Posted by fpliii
that's not accurate at all, for the most part
when it first came around, yeah it sucked, but they still had guys like Hawk and Barry
it wasn't a joke when Dr. J played from 71-76, unless you believe the NBA was a joke during the same time
I count Dr. J's stats the same as I do Kareem's pre-merger, but my new list isn't about stats, MVPs, or championships...it's just about overall impression
after I put together the initial list to use as a base, I can adjust for rings and accomplishments
the ABA is basically like WCW....sure it had a few good years. but for the most part... theres a reason they went out of business and had to merge and drop their history and name
a few good guys got into wwf / NBA
but overall most were let go because it was a second rate company
and to be at the top of wcw/ABA was easier due to them all being mostly all left over garbage mixed with insanely high priced greats
there wasnt an even flow from great to role player in the ABA
it was star + bums
so no... i wont give erving any credit for what he did in that WCW league lol
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Lazy Bulls fan
Re: looking back at the mark jackson prediction from 2006. the world laughed. he didn't
Every time someon says "Kobe is the best player post-Jordan and of the 00s olol", I die a little inside. Kobe's good. Really good. Top 10 all time good. But to forget the fact he left the Lakers in purgatory for a good three years or so is preposterous. I'd still take Duncan over him. I will say though, if he gets one more ring, I will have to reconsider.
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Child, please
Re: looking back at the mark jackson prediction from 2006. the world laughed. he didn't
How can a 1x MVP be the GOAT? I mean rings are great and all, but that's more a reflection of the team than the individual. He was only the clear cut best player in the league for maybe two years, LeBron has been the best in the league for five already with no foreseeable drop off.
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sahelanthropus
Re: looking back at the mark jackson prediction from 2006. the world laughed. he didn't
Originally Posted by kennethgriffin
the ABA is basically like WCW....sure it had a few good years. but for the most part... theres a reason they went out of business and had to merge and drop their history and name
a few good guys got into wwf / NBA
but overall most were let go because it was a second rate company
and to be at the top of wcw/ABA was easier due to them all being mostly all left over garbage mixed with insanely high priced greats
there wasnt an even flow from great to role player in the ABA
it was star + bums
so no... i wont give erving any credit for what he did in that WCW league lol
in the first NBA season post-merger, 10 of the 24 all-stars were from the ABA
5 of 10 starters in the 76-77 Finals were from the ABA
of the 84 players in the ABA at the time of the merger, 63 played in the NBA for at least one full season
four of the top ten scorers in 76-77 were from the ABA (and Dr. J had a down year due to his team's system before blowing up in the Finals, so he's not even one of those four)
Don Buse of the Pacers led the league in steals and assists in 76-77
Moses Malone was 3rd in rebounding, Artis Gilmore was 4th
Gilmore and Caldwell Jones were top 5 in the NBA in blocked shots
it was as equal a partnership as you can get, much more so than the BAA-NBL merger
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Re: looking back at the mark jackson prediction from 2006. the world laughed. he didn't
Originally Posted by hawksdogsbraves
How can a 1x MVP be the GOAT? I mean rings are great and all, but that's more a reflection of the team than the individual. He was only the clear cut best player in the league for maybe two years, LeBron has been the best in the league for five already with no foreseeable drop off.
because the media only gives multiple mvps to lovable media face of the nba poster child darlings that have never been arrested types with no real controvercy
hense = kobe, barkley, hakeem, shaq only getting one mvp
and steve nash getting 2, duncan getting 2, lebron getting 3 etc...
notice the guys who were outcasts by the media were slighted... while the guys who never got into trouble off the court got more than 1 mvp???
kobe should have 3-4 mvps, barkley should have 2 mvps, shaq should have 3-4 mvps, hakeem should have 2 atleast
the only thing thats certain is that if you are truly great. the media more than likely will bite their tongue and atleast hand you one trophy
so i do admit the mvp does mean something sort of.
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Re: looking back at the mark jackson prediction from 2006. the world laughed. he didn't
Originally Posted by fpliii
in the first NBA season post-merger, 10 of the 24 all-stars were from the ABA
5 of 10 starters in the 76-77 Finals were from the ABA
of the 84 players in the ABA at the time of the merger, 63 played in the NBA for at least one full season
four of the top ten scorers in 76-77 were from the ABA (and Dr. J had a down year due to his team's system before blowing up in the Finals, so he's not even one of those four)
Don Buse of the Pacers led the league in steals and assists in 76-77
Moses Malone was 3rd in rebounding, Artis Gilmore was 4th
Gilmore and Caldwell Jones were top 5 in the NBA in blocked shots
it was as equal a partnership as you can get, much more so than the BAA-NBL merger
but this just proves my point
like i said.. there were 10 great players and only 60 aba players made it to the nba
out of like 330+ nba players at the time of the merger... only 60 were ABA?
not great
pretty small league compared to the NBA...
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Go Gators
Re: looking back at the mark jackson prediction from 2006. the world laughed. he didn't
How is the clown in the green? Seriously, is there any reason why this guy doesn't have a red bar?
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