2016 Love was not an 8 ppg player - many guys beat GSW easier by using Love better

[3ball]

Like Kawhi showed this year - getting the most out of teammates makes your team better

Unfortunately, Lebron's skill restriction to ball-dominance reduces teammates/teamwork, thus requiring excessive talent to win..

heck, ANYONE could've averaged 8 ppg in those Finals, but lebron needed a 20+ guy to reduce to 8 ppg - that's the extra talent that bron-ball needs to offset the suboptimal teamwork and reduction of teammates

[ArbitraryWater]

Kawhi's PF, Gasol, went from 19 ppg to 9 ppg in the playoffs with him, and 15 ppg to 9 ppg in the regular season with him.

[Bankaii]

If it

[Manny98]

Love was playing with a concussion and doesn't match up well against the Warriors, has nothing to do with Bron ball.

Kyrie averaged 27 that series was LeBron ball holding him back as well?

[sdot_thadon]

Just popped in to verify Op was indeed murked by the 3rd reply. Confirmed several kills. 3ball thread.

[3ball]

If it’s Lebron’s fault, why did love average more than double that in the Finals against pretty much the same team the very next year?

And lmao at any saying Kawhi makes people better. [COLOR="DarkRed"]Dude is a horrible playmaker[/COLOR] but ATG wingman standards.

^^^ This is the big misconception about basketball that most fans have - they think a guy that averages a lot of assists "makes guys better"

This is frequently false

Many times, a player averaging 8 assists doesn't elevate a team as much as a timely scorer that opens things up for teammates as a decoy, and only scores when teammates need it - teammates get to play their games, thus producing more and not being restricted to predictable, lower impact, play-finishing roles

The caveat is that the scorer must be a truly great scorer that can score in every way, like Kawhi, Kobe and MJ did.. they clearly elevate teams more than bron-ball

[FKAri]

Jordan ball reduces teammates to play finishers rather than being first class citizens in a free flowing offense. It also requires stacking the deck with guys like GOAT perimeter defender Pippen, GOAT rebounder Rodman, GOAT shooter Kerr, GOAT Coach Jackson and rich man's Pau Gasol in Kukoc. This is why it has never been successful outside of Stern's rigged system.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Jordan ball reduces teammates to play finishers rather than being first class citizens in a free flowing offense. It also requires stacking the deck with guys like GOAT perimeter defender Pippen, GOAT rebounder Rodman, GOAT shooter Kerr, GOAT Coach Jackson and rich man's Pau Gasol in Kukoc. This is why it has never been successful outside of Stern's rigged system.

[3ball]

Jordan ball reduces teammates to play finishers

^^^ ur apparently still in shock from me saying that about lebron years ago, but here's the statistical facts about MJ:

Pippen's assists (play-making) increased alongside Jordan, while every lebron teammates decreased

So MJ didn't turn teammates into play-finishers because he himself was a goat play-finisher and therefore a massive assist target that facilitated teammate play-making..

But keep trolling bud.. I'd say you have about a 33% hit rate of good trolls vs. bad... This was a bad one.. there must be a kernal of truth for it to be a good troll, which this one lacked

It also requires stacking the deck with guys like GOAT perimeter defender [COLOR="Black"]Pippen, GOAT rebounder Rodman, GOAT shooter Kerr, GOAT Coach Jackson[/COLOR]

Kerr and Rodman weren't on the first 3-peat team, and Phil was a first-time, nobody coach in 1990 and 1991 - MJ was infact the goat candidate, and therefore made Phil, not the other way around

And rich man's Pau Gasol in Kukoc.

Another bad troll... .. so that's 0-3 and ur in a slump, below your normal average

[StrongLurk]

Love had a concussion on top of not matching up well with the Warriors.

Klay and Dray shut down Love constantly.

In fact, Love has been extremely injury prone over his career and his game has clearly suffered from it.

[ImKobe]

Kawhi's PF, Gasol, went from 19 ppg to 9 ppg in the playoffs with him, and 15 ppg to 9 ppg in the regular season with him.

Gasol went from a second option with 15 ppg this year to 9 ppg as a 4th option in Toronto.

But look at the difference in how the Raptors play. Gasol was 5th in minutes & 6th in FGA in the Finals yet still averaged 12 ppg.

Kawhi gets his numbers and his style of play allows his teammates to play at their best as well while Lebron needs the ball in order to produce the same. Leonard can play off-ball the whole game and end up with 30.

[Bankaii]

^^^ This is the big misconception about basketball that most fans have - they think a guy that averages a lot of assists "makes guys better

No dumbass, I watched the games.
Kawhi would get trapped and have no idea what to do. He

[3ball]

No dumbass, I watched the games.
Kawhi would get trapped and have no idea what to do. He’s so robotic. He either looks to score or kicks it back up top. He doesn’t have a drive and kick, or drop off passes. He’s a terrible playmaker compared to Lebron, Steph, etc.

Dude averaged 4 assists and 3 turnovers ffs. And he doesn’t have high hockey assists like Curry.

Literally anybody with a brain has noticed this. Try another agenda, this one failed miserably.

Yeah right bro - he didn't make guys better, yet he elevated a Canadian team to one of the best championships we've ever seen..

So something about your theory isn't right... apparently, my post is why (post #6 )

[warriorfan]

on his last season in Minny, Kevin Love averaged 26.1/12.5/4.4/.591 TS%

The only 2 players to ever have that stat line are



https://www.basketball-reference.com...91&order_by=ws

1. Prime Kareem Abdul Jabbar in 72
2. Kevin Love 14

[Bankaii]

Yeah right bro - he didn't make guys better, yet he elevated a Canadian team to one of the best championships we've ever seen..

So something about your theory isn't right... apparently, my post is why (post #6 )

Elevated? They were a 1 seed before he even got there lmao.

And one of the best championships we've ever seen?
That was probably the lamest Finals of the modern era. Wasn't impressive the slightest.

Again, why did such a great playmaker average only 4 assists with 3 turnovers?