LBJ/MJ best series' vs defenses that allow less ~100 points per 100 possessions

[mehyaM24]

LeBron & Jordan vs Defenses that allow less than 100 points per 100 possessions (<100 DRtg):

lebron vs 2011 bulls (100 DRtg):
26PTS / 8REB / 7AST on ~45% shooting

lebron vs 2011 celtics (100 DRtg):
28PTS / 8REB / 4AST on ~47% shooting

lebron vs 2012 celtics (98 DRtg):
34PTS / 11REB / 4AST on ~54% shooting

lebron vs 2013 pacers (99 DRtg):
29PTS / 7REB / 5AST on ~51% shooting

lebron vs 2014 pacers (99 DRtg):
23PTS / 6REB / 6AST on ~56% shooting

jordan vs 1993 knicks (99 DRtg):
32PTS / 7REB / 6AST on ~40% shooting

jordan vs 1997 heat (100 DRtg):
30PTS / 8.0REB | 3AST on ~38% shooting

lebron's greatness & efficiency are unabated by these defensive juggernauts.

[lilteapot]

IDK if 3ball was created to parody OP or if it's the other way around or if they're the same person

[mehyaM24]

some great individual highlights against a couple of the teams i posted above:

lebron's 30 point triple-double vs 2013 pacers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXaRCE94KqA

lebron's 45/15/5 elimination game vs the 2012 celtics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-VzBeOrdAg

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Reverse 3ball, maybe they'll cancel each other out?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

That Gm 6 and overall series LeBron had versus Boston was INSANE.

Probably the greatest individual playoff series I've seen since since Shaq against the Pacers in 2000.

[mehyaM24]

That Gm 6 and overall series LeBron had versus Boston was INSANE.

Probably the greatest individual playoff series I've seen since since Shaq against the Pacers in 2000.

true. shaq might be my favorite player all-time, but i still would have to go with lebron because of the all-around play and heavy-lifting he did with his back against the wall.
peak shaq was a fvcking legend though.

[Lebron23]

[ImKobe]

That Gm 6 and overall series LeBron had versus Boston was INSANE.

Probably the greatest individual playoff series I've seen since since Shaq against the Pacers in 2000.

lol he was guarded by Brandon fricken Bass and the series was only that close because Heat choked previous games with missed FTs and Bosh was injured

[3ball]

Look dumbass - there is a reason why the 1989 Bad Boy Pistons had a higher DRTG (104.7) than today's lowly Charlotte Bobcats (103.0) - and it's not because it was easier to score on them.

You are ignoring how Team ORtg and Opponent DRtg are calculated - the higher proportion of two-pointers taken in previous eras had higher offensive rebounding and FT rates, which increases ORtg and DRtg in the calculation.

On the flipside, today's game takes far more 3-pointers, which have a lower offensive rebounding and FT rate, and therefore decrease ORtg and DRtg in the calculation.

You are clearly enjoying being inaccurate and ignoring the way the stat is ACTUALLY calculated.. But playing styles change and ORtg/DRtg calculations don't reflect these changes.. It's simply an erroneous approach to compare defenses in different eras based on DRtg - it's dumb actually..

The reality is that Jordan performed better against top-ranked playoff defenses than anyone in history, as the stats clearly show:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=362242

And we know this performance was against legal paint-camping, no spacing, and a much higher level of physicality - simply a tougher environment than today.

[Cocaine80s]

Look dumbass - there is a reason why the 1989 Bad Boy Pistons had a higher DRTG (104.7) than today's lowly Charlotte Bobcats (103.0) - and it's not because it was easier to score on them.

You are ignoring how Team ORtg and Opponent DRtg are calculated - the higher proportion of two-pointers taken in previous eras had higher offensive rebounding and FT rates, which increases ORtg and DRtg in the calculation.

On the flipside, today's game takes far more 3-pointers, which have a lower offensive rebounding and FT rate, and therefore decrease ORtg and DRtg in the calculation.

You are clearly enjoying being inaccurate and ignoring the way the stat is ACTUALLY calculated.. But playing styles change and ORtg/DRtg calculations don't reflect these changes.. It's simply an erroneous approach to compare defenses in different eras based on DRtg - it's dumb actually..

The reality is that Jordan performed better against top-ranked playoff defenses than anyone in history, as the stats clearly show:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=362242

And we know this performance was against legal paint-camping, no spacing, and a much higher level of physicality - simply a tougher environment than today.

[SouBeachTalents]

Look dumbass - there is a reason why the 1989 Bad Boy Pistons had a higher DRTG (104.7) than today's lowly Charlotte Bobcats (103.0) - and it's not because it was easier to score on them.

You are ignoring how Team ORtg and Opponent DRtg are calculated - the higher proportion of two-pointers taken in previous eras had higher offensive rebounding and FT rates, which increases ORtg and DRtg in the calculation.

On the flipside, today's game takes far more 3-pointers, which have a lower offensive rebounding and FT rate, and therefore decrease ORtg and DRtg in the calculation.

You are clearly enjoying being inaccurate and ignoring the way the stat is ACTUALLY calculated.. But playing styles change and ORtg/DRtg calculations don't reflect these changes.. It's simply an erroneous approach to compare defenses in different eras based on DRtg - it's dumb actually..

The reality is that Jordan performed better against top-ranked playoff defenses than anyone in history, as the stats clearly show:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=362242

And we know this performance was against legal paint-camping, no spacing, and a much higher level of physicality - simply a tougher environment than today.

[T_L_P]

Look dumbass - there is a reason why the 1989 Bad Boy Pistons had a higher DRTG (104.7) than today's lowly Charlotte Bobcats (103.0) - and it's not because it was easier to score on them.

You are ignoring how Team ORtg and Opponent DRtg are calculated - the higher proportion of two-pointers taken in previous eras had higher offensive rebounding and FT rates, which increases ORtg and DRtg in the calculation.

On the flipside, today's game takes far more 3-pointers, which have a lower offensive rebounding and FT rate, and therefore decrease ORtg and DRtg in the calculation.

You are clearly enjoying being inaccurate and ignoring the way the stat is ACTUALLY calculated.. But playing styles change and ORtg/DRtg calculations don't reflect these changes.. It's simply an erroneous approach to compare defenses in different eras based on DRtg - it's dumb actually..

The reality is that Jordan performed better against top-ranked playoff defenses than anyone in history, as the stats clearly show:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=362242

And we know this performance was against legal paint-camping, no spacing, and a much higher level of physicality - simply a tougher environment than today.

[ArbitraryWater]

Look dumbass - there is a reason why the 1989 Bad Boy Pistons had a higher DRTG (104.7) than today's lowly Charlotte Bobcats (103.0) - and it's not because it was easier to score on them.

You are ignoring how Team ORtg and Opponent DRtg are calculated - the higher proportion of two-pointers taken in previous eras had higher offensive rebounding and FT rates, which increases ORtg and DRtg in the calculation.

On the flipside, today's game takes far more 3-pointers, which have a lower offensive rebounding and FT rate, and therefore decrease ORtg and DRtg in the calculation.

You are clearly enjoying being inaccurate and ignoring the way the stat is ACTUALLY calculated.. But playing styles change and ORtg/DRtg calculations don't reflect these changes.. It's simply an erroneous approach to compare defenses in different eras based on DRtg - it's dumb actually..

The reality is that Jordan performed better against top-ranked playoff defenses than anyone in history, as the stats clearly show:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=362242

And we know this performance was against legal paint-camping, no spacing, and a much higher level of physicality - simply a tougher environment than today.

[mehyaM24]

actually, drtg estimates how many points said team averages per possessions when faced on the court.

the differences in 3pt and 2pt are irrelevant here as they hinder an ORtg (this is why ORtg is lower across the board - more 3PA --> tougher FGA --> less inflated percentages with mere short/midrange 2PT shots).

the core of drtg calcultes an individual defensive stop - stops take into account teams ending their oppositions possession, which are then noted in the boxscore. additionally, it accounts for the number of forced turnovers and forced misses by the player which aren't captured by steals and blocks.

pm me if you need more advice on how to use DRtg, 3ball (and others).

[lilteapot]

Look dumbass - there is a reason why the 1989 Bad Boy Pistons had a higher DRTG (104.7) than today's lowly Charlotte Bobcats (103.0) - and it's not because it was easier to score on them.

You are ignoring how Team ORtg and Opponent DRtg are calculated - the higher proportion of two-pointers taken in previous eras had higher offensive rebounding and FT rates, which increases ORtg and DRtg in the calculation.

On the flipside, today's game takes far more 3-pointers, which have a lower offensive rebounding and FT rate, and therefore decrease ORtg and DRtg in the calculation.

You are clearly enjoying being inaccurate and ignoring the way the stat is ACTUALLY calculated.. But playing styles change and ORtg/DRtg calculations don't reflect these changes.. It's simply an erroneous approach to compare defenses in different eras based on DRtg - it's dumb actually..

The reality is that Jordan performed better against top-ranked playoff defenses than anyone in history, as the stats clearly show:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=362242

And we know this performance was against legal paint-camping, no spacing, and a much higher level of physicality - simply a tougher environment than today.

Look dumbass - there is a reason why the 1989 Bad Boy Pistons had a higher DRTG (104.7) than today's lowly Charlotte Bobcats (103.0) - and it's not because it was easier to score on them.

You are ignoring how Team ORtg and Opponent DRtg are calculated - the higher proportion of two-pointers taken in previous eras had higher offensive rebounding and FT rates, which increases ORtg and DRtg in the calculation.

On the flipside, today's game takes far more 3-pointers, which have a lower offensive rebounding and FT rate, and therefore decrease ORtg and DRtg in the calculation.

You are clearly enjoying being inaccurate and ignoring the way the stat is ACTUALLY calculated.. But playing styles change and ORtg/DRtg calculations don't reflect these changes.. It's simply an erroneous approach to compare defenses in different eras based on DRtg - it's dumb actually..

The reality is that Jordan performed better against top-ranked playoff defenses than anyone in history, as the stats clearly show:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=362242

And we know this performance was against legal paint-camping, no spacing, and a much higher level of physicality - simply a tougher environment than today.

Look dumbass - there is a reason why the 1989 Bad Boy Pistons had a higher DRTG (104.7) than today's lowly Charlotte Bobcats (103.0) - and it's not because it was easier to score on them.

You are ignoring how Team ORtg and Opponent DRtg are calculated - the higher proportion of two-pointers taken in previous eras had higher offensive rebounding and FT rates, which increases ORtg and DRtg in the calculation.

On the flipside, today's game takes far more 3-pointers, which have a lower offensive rebounding and FT rate, and therefore decrease ORtg and DRtg in the calculation.

You are clearly enjoying being inaccurate and ignoring the way the stat is ACTUALLY calculated.. But playing styles change and ORtg/DRtg calculations don't reflect these changes.. It's simply an erroneous approach to compare defenses in different eras based on DRtg - it's dumb actually..

The reality is that Jordan performed better against top-ranked playoff defenses than anyone in history, as the stats clearly show:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=362242

And we know this performance was against legal paint-camping, no spacing, and a much higher level of physicality - simply a tougher environment than today.