Second 3Peat Jordan vs Miami LeBron - Postseason Only

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Bro, I'm this close to taking a cue ball upside your head for this foolishness. And you're one of my favorite posters here.

You don't think so? I give Mike the 3 year edge EASILY - but 2012 LeBron was his best season to date. Dude had series' of 30/11/6, 34/11/4, 29/10/7 along with high shooting percentages (keep in mind these were ALL against good-great defenses). Under duress and minutes away from elimination, LeBron played about as good as can be with a masterful 45/15/5 performance (on the road) which subsequently closed out Boston and the big 3.

His playoff run was all-time great, dude. His key performances and championship play speak for themself.

[SamuraiSWISH]

A caveat is MJ had the benefit of the shortened three point line from 1995-1997, which is why his three point percentage fell from 43% and 37% during the 96' and 97' regular seasons to 24% in 98'.

Actually the reason was an injured wrist.

He shot worse from the 3 point line the previous playoffs in '97 with the shortened line. MJ didn't shoot many 3's to begin with anyway, so it's a non issue.

From the normal distance 3 point line in the playoffs he's shot:

30% in '98
39% in '93
39% in '92
39% in '91
32% in '90

So it isn't like he couldn't convert that shot at a high pecentage anyway when making it an emphasis on his game.

2011 - 2014 LeBron is the better individual player than '95 - '98 MJ, statistically especially. But Jordan was still the better scorer, and ultimately winner. Jordan's resume in that time frame is better. LeBron's peak in 2012 playoffs, and 2013 regular season is higher than the best MJ played at during that time frame.

[andgar923]

James wouldn't get close to beating the Knicks to name one team.

This is bullshit thread.

[fpliii]

Actually the reason was an injured wrist.

He shot worse from the 3 point line the previous playoffs in '97 with the shortened line. MJ didn't shoot many 3's to begin with anyway, so it's a non issue.

From the normal distance 3 point line in the playoffs he's shot:

30% in '98
39% in '93
39% in '92
39% in '91
32% in '90

So it isn't like he couldn't convert that shot at a high pecentage anyway when making it an emphasis on his game.

2011 - 2014 LeBron is the better individual player than '95 - '98 MJ, statistically especially. But Jordan was still the better scorer, and ultimately winner. His resume in that time frame is better. LeBron's peak in 2012 playoffs, and 2013 regular season is higher than the best MJ played at during that time frame.

3 for 3 v.s. 2 for 4.
2x MVPs and 3x Finals MVPs v.s. 2x MVPs and 2x Finals MVPs.

We actually do have MJ's numbers from full three-point distance for 96-97:

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/s...Season=1996-97

45/133 (34%) during the season.

[Roundball_Rock]

Jordan was a poor three point shooter throughout his career, other than when the three point line was shortened.

Winning is a team game. One guy's team won 55 games with a D-League scrub replacing him; the other guy's team is .400 without him. MJ stans always invoke team success without any context (unless it is vis-

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Jordan was a poor three point shooter throughout his career, other than when the three point line was shortened.

Winning is a team game. One guy's team won 55 games with a scrub replacing him; the other guy's team is .400 without him. Jordan was more clutch, the better scorer, though.

LeBron is the better 3PT shooter, but Jordan was actually a pretty damn good one in the playoffs; multiple runs of ~39+% shooting when the 3PT line was regularized (applicable volume).

[ArbitraryWater]

So now second three peat MJ is as good as 2012-2014 LeBron?

[OldSchoolBBall]

Jordan was a poor three point shooter throughout his career, other than when the three point line was shortened.

Except that that's not true.

[quote]Winning is a team game. One guy's team won 55 games with a D-League scrub replacing him; the other guy's team is .400 without him. MJ stans always invoke team success without any context (unless it is vis-

[Roundball_Rock]

So now second three peat MJ is as good as 2012-2014 LeBron?

It is interesting to see the heavy skew in favor of MJ since 1996-1998 MJ was similar to 2008-2010 Kobe (30/6/6 in the playoffs)--but no one would take 2008-2010 Kobe over 2011-2014 LeBron.

Good point, Kuniva.

[Jacks3]

It is interesting to see the heavy skew in favor of MJ since 1996-1998 MJ was similar to 2008-2010 Kobe (30/6/6 in the playoffs)--but no one would take 2008-2010 Kobe over 2011-2014 LeBron.

Good point, Kuniva.

Well Jordan was even better than Bryant but I agree. This is LeBron.

[Young X]

Without looking at numbers, if I had to rank them:

'12 Bron
'98 MJ/'14 Bron
'96 MJ
'97 MJ
'13 Bron


'95 MJ
'11 Bron

'14 Bron was probably better than '98 MJ but MJ's run was more impressive to me (won his 6th ring and faced tougher competition). I'm biased, **** it.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Without looking at numbers, if I had to rank them:

'12 Bron
'98 MJ/'14 Bron
'96 MJ
'97 MJ
'13 Bron


'95 MJ
'11 Bron

'14 Bron was probably better than '98 MJ but MJ's run was more impressive to me (won his 6th ring and faced tougher competition). I'm biased, **** it.

Interesting. Why '98 Jordan/'14 LeBron > '97 Jordan? Agree w/ the last two years. Those are easy.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

It is interesting to see the heavy skew in favor of MJ since 1996-1998 MJ was similar to 2008-2010 Kobe (30/6/6 in the playoffs)--but no one would take 2008-2010 Kobe over 2011-2014 LeBron.

Good point, Kuniva.

Yeah, a lot of people downplay his 3PT shooting (rightfully so as there are idiots who believe Mike was the best at everything), but the dude was a sharp shooter around the 1990 - 93 seasons. Oddly enough, I think the weight-lifting and added muscle actually helped his range a bit.

[Young X]

Interesting. Why '98 Jordan/'14 LeBron > '97 Jordan? Agree w/ the last two years. Those are easy.

Because Jordan's series against Miami is probably the worst series of his career and worse than any series that '98 MJ or '14 Bron had. My list is probably not that accurate but I'm just going off the top of my head.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Because Jordan's series against Miami is probably the worst series of his career and worse than any series that '98 MJ or '14 Bron had. My list is probably not that accurate but I'm just going off the top of my head.

Good point. My only counter-argument would be that it didn't negate his finals series he had in 1997 (his best of the 2nd threepeat), and the other 2 rounds where he averaged 37/6/5 and 27/10/5 (probably his best all-around series of the 2nd threepeat as well).