Klay after 4 years > Pip relative to their competition

[SouBeachTalents]

Jordan and Curry got it done with these shithouse players while LeBron needed a top 3 player in Dwayne Wade to get his.

Wade was not a top 3 player in 2012 and certainly not one in 2013

[3ball]

But this thread was about how they compare after 4 years. 1991-93 Pippen is MUCH more relevant to that than 1996-98 Pippen

Pippen bombed two Finals in his prime.. Klay has plenty of time to do worse, but I doubt he will - it's pretty impossible for a 2nd option to do worse than 15 ppg on 34% shooting like Pip did in 1996..

But you're forgetting the title of the thread: Klay > Pip relative to their competition.. In Klay's 4th season (last year), he was a top 12 player in his conference (all-star), whereas 4th year Pippen was not.

Also, Klay's tougher mentality resulted in greater success for his team - in Klay's 3rd playoff run (last year) - he helped his team win a championship.

Otoh, in Pippen's 3rd playoff run, he had one of the biggest chokes in the history of the game: 2 points on 1-10 in Game 7 of ECF.. This cost the Bulls their first championship, since the Pistons needed 7 games (and Pip's choke) to beat the Bulls, but only 6 games to beat Blazers.

[FKAri]

What was MJ's competition in the 90's? Mitch Richmond?

[warriorfan]

What was MJ's competition in the 90's? Mitch Richmond?

Mitch RIch was legit AF

[FKAri]

Mitch RIch was legit AF

Meanwhile the last 10 years has seen: Kobe, Wade, Roy, Harden, Carter.....can keep going.....AI, Ray, Ginobli, Rip, Monta, McGrady...

DAMN

[3ball]

What was MJ's competition in the 90's? Mitch Richmond?

[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR]2015 SG's[COLOR="White"]....................[/COLOR]1990 SG's

James Harden[COLOR="White"].............[/COLOR] Michael Jordan
Dwayne Wade[COLOR="White"].............[/COLOR] Clyde Drexler
DeMar Derozan[COLOR="White"]............[/COLOR] Ron Harper
Jimmy Butler[COLOR="White"]..............[/COLOR] Mitch Richmond
Klay Thompson[COLOR="White"]............[/COLOR] Joe Dumars

[COLOR="White"]................................[/COLOR] Reggie Miller
[COLOR="White"]................................[/COLOR] Reggie Lewis
[COLOR="White"]................................[/COLOR] Dale Ellis
[COLOR="White"]................................[/COLOR] Ronaldo Blackman
[COLOR="White"]................................[/COLOR] Alvin Robertson

[GrapeApe]

Pippen bombed two Finals in his prime.. Klay has plenty of time to do worse, but I doubt he will - it's pretty impossible for a 2nd option to do worse than 15 ppg on 34% shooting like Pip did in 1996..

But you're forgetting the title of the thread: Klay > Pip relative to their competition.. In Klay's 4th season (last year), he was a top 12 player in his conference (all-star), whereas 4th year Pippen was not.

Also, Klay's tougher mentality resulted in greater success for his team - in Klay's 3rd playoff run (last year) - he helped his team win a championship.

Otoh, in Pippen's 3rd playoff run, he had one of the biggest chokes in the history of the game: 2 points on 1-10 in Game 7 of ECF.. This cost the Bulls their first championship, since the Pistons needed 7 games (and Pip's choke) to beat the Bulls, but only 6 games to beat Blazers.

Pippen was better in his 4th season than Thompson, both in the regular season and playoffs. What does being an all-star have to do with anything? Wally Szczerbiak was an all-star. I suppose he's better than '91 Pippen too? Besides, Pippen was an all-star the year before. Combining regular season and playoffs, Pippen was a top 10 player in the league in 1991. GTFOH with that "not an all-star" bullshit. You take the guy who's good through February. I'll take the guy who's good through June.

[FKAri]

[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR]2015 SG's[COLOR="White"]....................[/COLOR]1990 SG's

James Harden[COLOR="White"].............[/COLOR] Michael Jordan
Dwayne Wade[COLOR="White"].............[/COLOR] Clyde Drexler
DeMar Derozan[COLOR="White"]............[/COLOR] Ron Harper
Jimmy Butler[COLOR="White"]..............[/COLOR] Mitch Richmond
Klay Thompson[COLOR="White"]............[/COLOR] Joe Dumars

[COLOR="White"]................................[/COLOR] Reggie Miller
[COLOR="White"]................................[/COLOR] Reggie Lewis
[COLOR="White"]................................[/COLOR] Dale Ellis
[COLOR="White"]................................[/COLOR] Ronaldo Blackman
[COLOR="White"]................................[/COLOR] Alvin Robertson

Drexler = legit

But then you lost me...
Ron Harper?
Dumars and Robertson and half those nigguhs in the 90s??????

[3ball]

Meanwhile the last 10 years has seen: Kobe, Wade, Roy, Harden, Carter.....can keep going.....AI, Ray, Ginobli, Rip, Monta, McGrady...

DAMN

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[COLOR="Red"]The wings from MJ's era are equal or better overall[/COLOR]


[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR]2000-2014[COLOR="White"].................[/COLOR]1984-1998

Kobe Bryant.............. Michael Jordan
LeBron James............ Magic Johnson
Kevin Durant............. Larry Bird
Dwayne Wade........... Clyde Drexler
Russell Westbrook..... Gary Payton
Tracey McGrady........ Dominique Wilkins
James Harden........... Grant Hill
Kawhi Leonard.......... Scottie Pippen
Paul Pierce............... Adrian Dantley
Carmelo Anthony....... Alex English
Vince Carter............. James Worthy
Allen Iverson............ Penny Hardaway
Jason Kidd................ Jason Kidd


Honorable Mention 1984-1998: Doctor J, Dennis Rodman, Reggie Lewis, Reggie Miller, Sidney Moncrief, Joe Dumars, Eddie Jones, Mitch Richmond, Alvin Robertson, Detlef Schrempf, Dennis Johnson, Latrell Sprewell, Ronaldo Blackman, Fat Lever, Glen Rice, Chris Mullin, Kiki Vandeweghe, Mark Aguirre, Jamaal Mashburn

Honorable Mention 2000-2014: Ron Artest, Shawn Marion, Andre Igouodala, Ray Allen, Paul George, Manu Ginobili, Brandon Roy, Klay Thompson, Jimmy Butler, Joe Johnson, Rip Hamilton, Gilbert Arenas, Michael Redd, Draymond Green, Peja Stojakovic, Antawn Jamison, Luol Deng, Rashard Lewis


And MJ's era had better bigs too DAMN

[SouBeachTalents]

Pippen was better in his 4th season than Thompson, both in the regular season and playoffs. What does being an all-star have to do with anything? Wally Szczerbiak was an all-star. I suppose he's better than '91 Pippen too? Besides, Pippen was an all-star the year before. Combining regular season and playoffs, Pippen was a top 10 player in the league in 1991. GTFOH with that "not an all-star" bullshit. You take the guy who's good through February. I'll take the guy who's good through June.

Current Kobe > '91 Pippen by that logic as well

[FKAri]

ay yo 3ball...you know my favorite 2000's Center? Olajuwon

So what if I have a small dicc?

Interesting how you use dates that are convenient to you. I simply said "last 10 years".

[ShawkFactory]

Jeff...why doesn't the ignore function include threads that are made?

[3ball]

Ron Harper?

Ron Harper's stats pre-injury (1987-1990):

19.8 ppg.. 4.8 rpg.. 5.0 apg.. 2.3 stl.. 1.0 blk


Btw, you don't know shit about the game if you don't think Dumars and Robertson wouldn't have today's SG's in handcuffs while dropping 20 ppg+

But I understand your confusion - players in previous eras were TWO-WAY players, which is something you're not used to from watching today's game.

[3ball]

Interesting how you use dates that are convenient to you. I simply said "last 10 years"

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[COLOR="Red"]The time frame had to match Jordan's 15 year Bulls tenure - as you can see, the wings from MJ's era are equal or better overall:[/COLOR]


[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR]2000-2014[COLOR="White"].................[/COLOR]1984-1998

Kobe Bryant.............. Michael Jordan
LeBron James............ Magic Johnson
Kevin Durant............. Larry Bird
Dwayne Wade........... Clyde Drexler
Russell Westbrook..... Gary Payton
Tracey McGrady........ Dominique Wilkins
James Harden........... Grant Hill
Kawhi Leonard.......... Scottie Pippen
Paul Pierce............... Adrian Dantley
Carmelo Anthony....... Alex English
Vince Carter............. James Worthy
Allen Iverson............ Penny Hardaway
Jason Kidd................ Jason Kidd


Honorable Mention 1984-1998: Doctor J, Dennis Rodman, Reggie Lewis, Reggie Miller, Sidney Moncrief, Joe Dumars, Eddie Jones, Mitch Richmond, Alvin Robertson, Detlef Schrempf, Dennis Johnson, Latrell Sprewell, Ronaldo Blackman, Fat Lever, Glen Rice, Chris Mullin, Kiki Vandeweghe, Mark Aguirre, Jamaal Mashburn

Honorable Mention 2000-2014: Ron Artest, Shawn Marion, Andre Igouodala, Ray Allen, Paul George, Manu Ginobili, Brandon Roy, Klay Thompson, Jimmy Butler, Joe Johnson, Rip Hamilton, Gilbert Arenas, Michael Redd, Draymond Green, Peja Stojakovic, Antawn Jamison, Luol Deng, Rashard Lewis

[GrapeApe]

Current Kobe > '91 Pippen by that logic as well

True, and there have been players who weren't all-stars but made all-NBA teams. Being an all-star is borderline meaningless. As I said before, Pippen had a top 10 overall season in 1991.