Without sports, where would these guys be in life?

[kabalcage]

Shaq: Cop
Paul Pierce: C-Movie Actor
Shawn Kemp: Porn Star
Jerry Stackhouse: Singer
Kareem: Author

Would his nickname still be Reign Man?

[Rowe]

so everyone that doesn't go to an ivy league has low standards? What spoiled family are you from bro? Not everyone has the money for it and 99% of people don't have the IQ or work ethic to get a full ride to a top college.

There have been many successful people coming out of regular colleges and a lot who never went to college at all. SMH at the guy who spends 10 hours a day on a message board saying people that go to state colleges are underachievers in life. Irony at its finest.

Definetly its quite pathetic.

Im sorry for being a "failure" because I worked my ass off despite rough school environments in the inner city and wasn't able to score a 2000 on my SAT to go to Harvard.

This guy really doesn't understand how smart you have to be to even attend a state university, in comparison with on average 7/10 of a graduating HS class headed for Community College, Military, or the job force.



btw Kobe had a full scholarship ride to Duke, he would've took had he went to college.

[SuperPippen]

Rick Barry - Porn star

Michael Jordan - Professional poker player.

David Robinson - Admiral in the Navy.

David Stern - President of the U.S.A

[GovernmentMan]

Definetly its quite pathetic.

Im sorry for being a "failure" because I worked my ass off despite rough school environments in the inner city and wasn't able to score a 2000 on my SAT to go to Harvard.

This guy really doesn't understand how smart you have to be to even attend a state university, in comparison with on average 7/10 of a graduating HS class headed for Community College, Military, or the job force.



btw Kobe had a full scholarship ride to Duke, he would've took had he went to college.

[New York Knicks]

Definetly its quite pathetic.

Im sorry for being a "failure" because I worked my ass off despite rough school environments in the inner city and wasn't able to score a 2000 on my SAT to go to Harvard.

This guy really doesn't understand how smart you have to be to even attend a state university, in comparison with on average 7/10 of a graduating HS class headed for Community College, Military, or the job force.

LOL. Where did I say failure? And where did I say there was something wrong with it? I said he wouldn't be a genius out there in the real world with SAT scores like that and that's true. He'd be average.

btw Kobe had a full scholarship ride to Duke, he would've took had he went to college.

You do know the title says "without sports" right?

[Rowe]

Where did I say it had to be a full scholarship? I just said he'd go to a state school with no scholarship. Holy shit people here are sensitive.

Thats irrelevant. Kobe had full scholarship rides to numerous universities, including Duke, where he claims he would've gone to. You can't just enroll at a "State school", you have to be accepted and met the standards to attend the school. Then you have to factor in other important things like community service. They aren't Community Colleges. There is a huge drop off between the people who can be accepted into a State school and those destined for 2 years at a Community College/Junior College.

And I'd say Kobe's very smart in comparison to his peers, but not in the grand scheme of things.

He is smart in the grand scheme of things. Do you honestly believe the majority of people in the United States are well educated and even capable of pulling off a 1060 out of 1600 on their SAT? Dont let your suburban preppy childhood flaw reality. I'd say 2/3 of people in the United States aren't educated, aren't skilled, and are destined to become slaves of the 9-5 grind due to it. Kobe in comparisons with the retards walking around in the NBA, but he is very smart in comparison to everyone else walking around in this country.

[New York Knicks]

Thats irrelevant. Kobe had full scholarship rides to numerous universities, including Duke, where he claims he would've gone to. You can't just enroll at a "State school", you have to be accepted and met the standards to attend the school. Then you have to factor in other important things like community service. They aren't Community Colleges. There is a huge drop off between the people who can be accepted into a State school and those destined for 2 years at a Community College/Junior College.

Those scholarships were to play basketball. Not academic scholarships.

He is smart in the grand scheme of things. Do you honestly believe the majority of people in the United States are well educated and even capable of pulling off a 1060 out of 1600 on their SAT? Dont let your suburban preppy childhood flaw reality. I'd say 2/3 of people in the United States aren't educated, aren't skilled, and are destined to become slaves of the 9-5 grind due to it. Kobe in comparisons with the retards walking around in the NBA, but he is very smart in comparison to everyone else walking around in this country.

What flawed reality? I scored a 1320 which pales in comparison to other people I knew and I wasn't even able to get into an Ivy League school. I did however get into a state school with a scholarship. 1060 is not "very smart". It's average. And no I didn't grow up in the suburbs.

[Rowe]

LOL. Where did I say failure? And where did I say there was something wrong with it? I said he wouldn't be a genius out there in the real world with SAT scores like that and that's true. He'd be average.

There are few people in society who are even on genius level. Dont let all of these Asians & Punjabis with 2000+ SAT scores fool you. 99% of them aren't geniuses at all, they just have a master work ethic that most people born here dont have.

Kobe isn't average by any means. The average guy doesn't have the education to excel from where he is currently. These guys are flipping burgers at 20 and they are telling people how to flip burgers at 40. Thats average. There are a lot of people like that.

Kobe would be considered one of the smart people in society, there are a lot but not more than the average & dumb ones.

You do know the title says "without sports" right?

A Duke scholarship doesn't go to people only because of sports. You have to be capable of staying eligible academically at a challenging institution like Duke to even get an offer of a full scholarship.

[New York Knicks]

There are few people in society who are even on genius level. Dont let all of these Asians & Punjabis with 2000+ SAT scores fool you. 99% of them aren't geniuses at all, they just have a master work ethic that most people born here dont have.

Kobe isn't average by any means. The average guy doesn't have the education to excel from where he is currently. These guys are flipping burgers at 20 and they are telling people how to flip burgers at 40. Thats average. There are a lot of people like that.

Kobe would be considered one of the smart people in society, there are a lot but not more than the average & dumb ones.

Then your standards are lower than mine.

A Duke scholarship doesn't go to people only because of sports. You have to be capable of staying eligible academically at a challenging institution like Duke to even get an offer of a full scholarship.

That's not what I said. I said Kobe's scholarship would've been for sports. Had he never played basketball, he would never have gotten a scholarship in the first place. Duke doesn't hand out scholarships to students with 1060 SAT scores. Hell, you might not even be accepted.

In 2005 (before they changed it to the 2400 scale), for males, the average score for verbal was 513 and the average for math as 538. So yes, he's average. Where did I say there was anything wrong with being average?

[Rowe]

Those scholarships were to play basketball. Not academic scholarships.

False.

If they dont believe you can hang academically then you're not getting a scholarship offer from a school. Thats because they know you wont be able to stay eligible. Take a look at football teams, the academic casualties of guys who they "think" can stay eligible is noticeable. Transfers are very common.

What flawed reality? I scored a 1320 which pales in comparison to other people I knew and I wasn't even able to get into an Ivy League school. I did however get into a state school with a scholarship. 1060 is not "very smart". It's average. And no I didn't grow up in the suburbs.

You scored a 1320 out of 1600? Unless you're pulling my leg with this, that would be good enough to get you into a Ivy League school at the time mixed in with good community service. That translates in todays times to a 1980 out of 2400. That makes you Ivy League eligible. Or did you score a 1320 out of 2400? I scored a 1640 out of 2400 and am now headed to Community College for 2 years because my family can't financially cover a 4 year scholarship to a State school right now.

1060 out of 1600 is very smart. That translates to a 1590 out of 2400, and yes that is good enough to get you into a State school. That is something most people can't say they can do.

[New York Knicks]

False.

If they dont believe you can hang academically then you're not getting a scholarship offer from a school. Thats because they know you wont be able to stay eligible. Take a look at football teams, the academic casualties of guys who they "think" can stay eligible is noticeable. Transfers are very common.

Holy shit. Are we even in the same conversation? I said KOBE BRYANT's GODDAMN SCHOLARSHIP was for basketball. Obviously you have to maintain eligibility like everyone else. Doesn't make you a genius.

You scored a 1320 out of 1600? Unless you're pulling my leg with this, that would be good enough to get you into a Ivy League school at the time mixed in with good community service. That translates in todays times to a 1980 out of 2400. That makes you Ivy League eligible. Or did you score a 1320 out of 2400? I scored a 1640 out of 2400 and am now headed to Community College for 2 years because my family can't financially cover a 4 year scholarship to a State school right now.

1060 out of 1600 is very smart. That translates to a 1590 out of 2400, and yes that is good enough to get you into a State school. That is something most people can't say they can do.

I scored a 1320/1600. Well, now therein lies the problem. I had people in my school that were minorities that scored much lower but got into Cornell, UPENN, and some even Harvard. Now because I'm white, I had to go to a state school. Real fair isn't it? I grew up under the same conditions and in the same damn city. I did qualify for a state scholarship, but not a full ride.

[QuebecBaller]

Paul Pierce: C-Movie Actor

In court for suing many compagnies/stores because of the injuries (that he never had) that happened to him when he was there

[Rowe]

Then your standards are lower than mine.

Thats because you grew up with a silver spoon in your mouth.

My standards are higher than yours, but I have to work 2x harder than people like you while balancing other things that you couldn't possibly imagine doing at my age.

That's not what I said. I said Kobe's scholarship would've been for sports. Had he never played basketball, he would never have gotten a scholarship in the first place. Duke doesn't hand out scholarships to students with 1060 SAT scores. Hell, you might not even be accepted.

Not 1060 out of 2400. Of course not.

However 1060 out of 1600 at that time, if the school believed he was able to attend the university and hang academically, what is your point? He got the scholarship because they believed he could make it at Duke academically while bringing in millions in revenue for their basketball program.

In 2005 (before they changed it to the 2400 scale), for males, the average score for verbal was 513 and the average for math as 538. So yes, he's average. Where did I say there was anything wrong with being average?

Those average scores were flawed by enough retards who lowered the scores down with pulling off 200's out of 800. You do realize if everyone in the United States was as smart as you think they are, the averages would've been much higher. I can point out the data collected about my school to show you what happens to the average SAT score when you remove retards from an academic setting.

Kobe is still smarter than most people walking the street right now.

[SinJackal]

Kobe isn't average by any means. The average guy doesn't have the education to excel from where he is currently. These guys are flipping burgers at 20 and they are telling people how to flip burgers at 40. Thats average. There are a lot of people like that.

Kobe would be considered one of the smart people in society, there are a lot but not more than the average & dumb ones.

I don't want to get into some argument or anything here, but. . .

If flipping burgers and working at a fast food place for 20 years is "average", then there must not be a "below average" to you must be borderline retardation. Working at Burger King for your whole life is way below average, it's a massive life failure.

About the test score thing. . .

Having a barely 70% scoring average in school is borderline stupidity, it's 10% away from utter failure. Don't you realize that?

And no this has nothing to do with Kobe. Any player who is thought to be "smart" because of average test scores is irritating. Let's pretend Kobe has nothing to do with it, so you don't have bias.

Assume. . . Raja Bell had a 1060 score. Would you consider him smart? Or Dennis Rodman. Or LeBron, or anybody. It's average dude. His GPA would be around 2.00-2.20. Which is crap. Everybody I went to college with had one higher than that, and I wouldn't consider even half of them to be smart.

I do agree with one of your earlier posts where you said by an large most people in the U.S. aren't that bright, but, everybody knows that is largely based on location. I used to go to school in North Chicago, where there was maybe 3-4 smart people in any class I was in (including me), and at least 10 people I would classify as borderline stupid per class. After moving to Lake Villa, the level of intelligence seemed a lot higher in the schools I went to. There was maybe 2-4 people I'd consider dumb in each class maximum, and maybe 5-8 smart people per class, with a much better overall average intelligence.

I don't think the "average" person there would be flipping burgers for their entire life. I consider burger flipping for any age other than as a teen just for money to be a failure. Doing it for life is a catostrophic failure imo.

So really, any time an athlete shows any sign of not being just a meathead, people call them "smart", not just NBA players either. It happens with NFL players too. Some NBA players might be considered "smart" compared to other NBA players, but compared to even people at a community college somewhere, he likely wouldn't stand out at all besides for being really tall.

[tpols]

False.

If they dont believe you can hang academically then you're not getting a scholarship offer from a school. Thats because they know you wont be able to stay eligible. Take a look at football teams, the academic casualties of guys who they "think" can stay eligible is noticeable. Transfers are very common.



You scored a 1320 out of 1600? Unless you're pulling my leg with this, that would be good enough to get you into a Ivy League school at the time mixed in with good community service. That translates in todays times to a 1980 out of 2400. That makes you Ivy League eligible. Or did you score a 1320 out of 2400? I scored a 1640 out of 2400 and am now headed to Community College for 2 years because my family can't financially cover a 4 year scholarship to a State school right now.

1060 out of 1600 is very smart. That translates to a 1590 out of 2400, and yes that is good enough to get you into a State school. That is something most people can't say they can do.

a 1320 isn't enough for ivy league.

I got a 700 crit, 640 math, and 630 writing and I only got into rutgers with no scholarship. I knew some kids that got 1400s and one guy with a 1510 that got scholarships at emory and VT but 1300s isn't getting you much money.

Kobe's 1060 is flawed too. The math and crit sections are fully dependable on how much you studied and can be mastered if you get a tutor and memorize all the different types of math problems/vocab words.

When I first took the SATs I got a 620 in crit and a 600 in math. After buying a SAT book and reading it I got a 700 and 630. Studying is how you improve that and the test isnt an indicator of IQ but rather education.