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    Default LeBron and MJ are at the top for most advanced stats

    The GOAT and the Chosen One

    Regular Season:

    PER:
    1. MJ 27.91
    2. LeBron 27.65

    21. Kobe 23.06

    Career WS:
    4. MJ 214.02
    11. LeBron 182.91 (probably will finish top 3)

    18. Kobe 172.60

    Career WS/48:
    1. MJ 0.2505
    6. LeBron 0.2398


    51. Kobe 0.1745

    Career BPM:
    1. LeBron 9.19
    2. MJ 9.09


    31. Kobe 4.02

    Career VORP:
    1. MJ 104.44
    2. LeBron 103.26

    16. Kobe 71.99

    Playoffs:

    PER:
    1. MJ 28.6
    3. LeBron 27.43

    22. Kobe 22.40

    WS:
    1. MJ 39.76
    3. LeBron 36.89
    8. Kobe 28.26

    WS/48:
    1. MJ 0.2553
    3. LeBron 0.2342



    53. Kobe 0.1570

    BPM:
    1. LeBron 10.43
    2. MJ 10.12


    39. Kobe 4.41

    VORP:
    1. LeBron 23.69
    2. MJ 22.85

    8. Kobe 13.99

    2/6 or not, LeBron must be doing something right to be in the conversation as the GOAT in all these stats.
    Last edited by Fire Colangelo; 12-19-2015 at 06:36 PM.

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    Default Re: LeBron and MJ are at the top for most advanced stats

    Shaq is still 2nd best in terms of playoff PER.

    [COLOR="DarkRed"]Playoff PER[/COLOR]
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    Lebron : 27.4 --- (his entire 10 year playoff career)
    Shaq : 28.3 --- (best consecutive 10 year playoff stretch)


    Jordan, Shaq & Bron are the 3 [COLOR="DarkRed"]PER[/COLOR] Kings though.
    3 Kings to rule them all.

    PER is as always the ultimate stat and the only one that really matters.

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    Default Re: LeBron and MJ are at the top for most advanced stats

    LeBron & Jordan are the only players to be top 10 in regular season & postseason PER, WS, BPM, & VORP, are top 5 in 7/8 of the categories, and are top 2 in 5/8. You can dismiss advanced stats, but that is damn impressive

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    Default Re: LeBron and MJ are at the top for most advanced stats

    Quote Originally Posted by SouBeachTalents
    LeBron & Jordan are the only players to be top 10 in regular season & postseason PER, WS, BPM, & VORP, are top 5 in 7/8 of the categories, and are top 2 in 5/8. You can dismiss advanced stats, but that is damn impressive
    You can dismiss single advanced stats IMO, but not all of them combined. Sure there's gonna be outliers here and there as with all statistics, but this is pretty impressive.

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    Default Re: LeBron and MJ are at the top for most advanced stats

    you should go all the way and post finals stats

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    Default Re: LeBron and MJ are at the top for most advanced stats

    Quote Originally Posted by f0und
    you should go all the way and post finals stats
    Why just finals and not the entire playoffs?

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    Default Re: LeBron and MJ are at the top for most advanced stats

    Quote Originally Posted by f0und
    you should go all the way and post finals stats
    LeBron's Finals stats are better than Bird's & Kobe's, and in terms of perimeter players only Jordan, West, and Magic were better career Finals performers

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    Default Re: LeBron and MJ are at the top for most advanced stats

    Quote Originally Posted by SouBeachTalents
    LeBron's Finals stats are better than Bird's & Kobe's, and in terms of perimeter players only Jordan, West, and Magic were better career Finals performers
    LeBrons first 2 finals dont count since he was too young in the first one, and wasnt given the offense in the 2nd one

    So take his first 2 finals away:





    Finals Average: 29.5 ppg 11 rebounds 6.75 assists on 46.7% shooting


    imo thats clearly better than West and Magic

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    Default Re: LeBron and MJ are at the top for most advanced stats

    Advanced stats :

    Kobe 5/7

    LeBron 2/6

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    Default Re: LeBron and MJ are at the top for most advanced stats

    Quote Originally Posted by Fire Colangelo
    Why just finals and not the entire playoffs?
    because the finals is almost an entirely different stage

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    Default Re: LeBron and MJ are at the top for most advanced stats

    Quote Originally Posted by StephHamann
    Advanced stats :

    Kobe 5/7

    LeBron 2/6
    If that's as far as your brain goes in terms of advance stats.... so be it lol.

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    Default Re: LeBron and MJ are at the top for most advanced stats

    Quote Originally Posted by f0und
    because the finals is almost an entirely different stage
    Aside from 2007 and 2011, LeBron has be tremendous in his other 4 finals appearances.

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    Default Re: LeBron and MJ are at the top for most advanced stats

    What good is advance stats if you can't back it up and choke in finals? Jordan give not a fvck about his advanced stats. He cares about those six rings.

    Never put Bron in the same tier as Jordan. It's disrespectful.


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    Default Re: LeBron and MJ are at the top for most advanced stats

    except jordan never cared about stats. He played off the ball thus sacrificing stats while bran didnt and thus 2/6

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    Default Re: LeBron and MJ are at the top for most advanced stats

    holy shit Jordan stans are so insecure.

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