Jordan CLEARLY had less help in 1998 Finals than Lebron's current team

[3ball]

MJ would kill for a legit center like Mosgov - Mosgov is better than anything MJ ever had.

MJ would also kill for a high-flying, 13 rebound-per-game player like Tristan Thompson... His Finals production blows any of the Bulls PF's or Centers away.

Name me a center MJ played with that was as good as Mosgov.

Name me a PF or Center in the 1998 Finals that had ANYWHERE NEAR the production of Tristan Thompson's 9 PPG and 13 RPG.

I'll wait.

[tmacattack33]

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Pippen:[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 15.0 PPG
Kukoc:[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR]15.0 PPG
Harper:[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR]5.3 PPG
Longley:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 5.0 PPG
Kerr:[COLOR="white"].....[/COLOR] 3.8 PPG


Mosgov:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 13.4 PPG
Smith:[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] 10.0 PPG
Tristan:[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 9.0 PPG, 13.0 RPG
M Della:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 8.8 PPG
Shump:[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 6.2 PPG


In case you're wondering, Rodman averaged 3 PPG and 8 RPG in the 1998 Finals, so he didn't make the list..

Rodman averaged the same stats for the ENTIRE 1997 playoffs as well, including the Finals - MJ's help in 1997 was actually just as weak as his help in 1998.. Keep in mind, the 1998 Utah Jazz had a lower playoff DRtg than anything Lebron ever faced in the Finals.

Also, MJ averaged 10.6 and 10.3 points in the 4th quarter of the 1997 and 1998 Finals, respectively, good for 3rd and 4th all time, according to the Elias Sports Bureau.. I guess it's no surprise that the MJ was forced to produce so much in the 4th against such a great team, in such close games, and with such a horrible cast.
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[Blue&Orange]

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Pippen:[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 15.0 PPG
Kukoc:[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR]15.0 PPG
Harper:[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR]5.3 PPG
Longley:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 5.0 PPG
Kerr:[COLOR="white"].....[/COLOR] 3.8 PPG


Mosgov:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 13.4 PPG
Smith:[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] 10.0 PPG
Tristan:[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 9.0 PPG, 13.0 RPG
M Della:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 8.8 PPG
Shump:[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 6.2 PPG

Let's not forget that Lebron teammates made those stats against an all time great team!!!

Apparently stats only matter when they are in favor or the statpadder career loser.

[3ball]

I know, it's funny how the numbers next to MJ's teammates' names are less than the numbers next to Lebron's teammates names...!!!!!!


That IS funny...

[Kvnzhangyay]

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Pippen:[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 15.0 PPG
Kukoc:[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR]15.0 PPG
Harper:[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR]5.3 PPG
Longley:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 5.0 PPG
Kerr:[COLOR="white"].....[/COLOR] 3.8 PPG



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So are you saying that Iverson had more help in 01 than MJ in '98?

Ratliff: 12.4 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 3.7 bpg
Mutombo: 11.7ppg, 12.4 ppg, 2.5 bpg
McKie: 11.6 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 5 apg
Snow: 9.8 ppg, 7.4 apg
Hill: 9.6 ppg, 9 rpg
+ Kukoc 8 ppg

[sd3035]

3ball don't do em like that

[nba_55]

Using your logic:

Lebron: 37 ppg
Jordan: 33 ppg

98 Finals Jordan < 15 finals Lebron

/thread

[LBJMVP]

Name me a center MJ had that was better than Mosgov.

Name me a PF or Center in the 1998 Finals that had ANYWHERE NEAR the production of Tristan Thompson's 9 PPG and 13 RPG.

dennis rodman was still better than thompson

charles oakley was better than mozgov though he wasn't on the championship teams.

horace grant was also better than mozgov

[raprap]

[red1]

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Pippen:[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 15.0 PPG
Kukoc:[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR]15.0 PPG
Harper:[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR]5.3 PPG
Longley:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 5.0 PPG
Kerr:[COLOR="white"].....[/COLOR] 3.8 PPG


Mosgov:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 13.4 PPG
Smith:[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] 10.0 PPG
Tristan:[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 9.0 PPG, 13.0 RPG
M Della:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 8.8 PPG
Shump:[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 6.2 PPG


In case you're wondering, Rodman averaged 3 PPG and 8 RPG in the 1998 Finals, so he didn't make the list..

Rodman averaged the same stats for the ENTIRE 1997 playoffs as well, including the Finals - MJ's help in 1997 was actually just as weak as his help in 1998.. Keep in mind, the 1998 Utah Jazz had a lower playoff DRtg than anything Lebron ever faced in the Finals.

Also, MJ averaged 10.6 and 10.3 points in the 4th quarter of the 1997 and 1998 Finals, respectively, good for 3rd and 4th all time, according to the Elias Sports Bureau.. I guess it's no surprise that the MJ was forced to produce so much in the 4th against such a great team, in such close games, and with such a horrible cast.
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If I ever see you in the street I will beat you to within an inch of your life f[COLOR="Black"]u[/COLOR]ckboy. And then I will take that inch from you. You hear me?

[sdot_thadon]

So are you saying that Iverson had more help in 01 than MJ in '98?

Ratliff: 12.4 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 3.7 bpg
Mutombo: 11.7ppg, 12.4 ppg, 2.5 bpg
McKie: 11.6 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 5 apg
Snow: 9.8 ppg, 7.4 apg
Hill: 9.6 ppg, 9 rpg
+ Kukoc 8 ppg

MJ would kill for a legit center like Mosgov - Mosgov is better than anything MJ ever had.

MJ would also kill for a high-flying, 13 rebound-per-game player like Tristan Thompson... His Finals production blows any of the Bulls PF's or Centers away.

[3ball]

If I ever see you in the street I will beat you to within an inch of your life f[COLOR="Black"]u[/COLOR]ckboy. And then I will take that inch from you. You hear me?

Victory itt for 3ball..

[ralph_i_el]

[3ball]

Again, Longley and Cartwright <<<< Mosgov, so I'm right.

Ditto on Tristan - none of the Bulls' PF's or Centers from the 1998 Finals produced ANYWHERE NEAR what Tristan has done in these Finals.. Rodman was MIA with only 8 RPG, and his offense always made the Bulls play 4 on 5 (only 3 PPG) - Rodman's production was a literal fraction of Tristan's in this series.

MJ's bigs were horrific.. Meanwhile, Shumpert/Delladova's 6-9 PPG each > Kerr, Harper's 3 PPG each.. Just look at the stats shown in the OP.
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[sdot_thadon]

Again, Longley and Cartwright <<<< Mosgov, so I'm right.

Ditto on Tristan - none of the Bulls' PF's or Centers from the 1998 Finals produced ANYWHERE NEAR what Tristan has done in these Finals.

Lebron might not have had guys like Pippen or Kukoc, but MJ's bigs were horrific... Rodman was MIA with only 8 RPG, and his offense always made the Bulls play 4 on 5 (only 3 PPG) - Rodman's production was a literal fraction of Tristan's in this series.
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I'm a 1000% sure the 98 bulls could score without Mj on the floor. This finals cavs team? Yeah thought so.