Can somebody please explain why Russell is a GOAT and Rodman isn't?

[TheMan]

Yeah, I'm one of those who think Bill Russell is overrated and gets way too much credit for those Celtics 60s dynasty. Winning 11 chips is a great accomplishment but let's not get carried away. First of all, his competition was crap compared to the modern era of basketball. Bob Cousy was a "great" back then, nuff said. OK, when you ask the Russell junkies what exactly makes him the GOAT when you get past the TEAM accomplishment of 11 titles in 13 years, they tell you he was a GOAT defender and rebounder, he was smart and had all the intangibles and he affected his team's offense not by scoring but by his passing, grabbing offensive boards and his stellar outlet passes...that's cool and all but that's Dennis Rodman too.

Those of you old enough to remember, Dennis was a beast of a defender, he could guard bigs but was also quick enough in his prime to guard wingmen too. He defended against Shaq, DRobinson, Zo, PEwing, Karl Malone, Charles Barkley and also defended Bird, Magic, Pippen and Jordan Bran Stans, THAT'S versatility. Dennis was huge in the mid to late 90s Bulls on the OFFENSIVE side of the ball, never having a play run for him but he'd grab ORebounds for putbacks or give the Bulls extra posessions. Plus, those defensive rebounds became pinpoint outlet passes to start the Bulls lethal fastbreaks. He regularly would end up with 10 plus points with 20 something boards with a couple of blocks to boot. Dennis, contrary to popular belief, was really smart on the court. He would get in your head to get you off your game, he ran the most complex offensive system, the triangle O, to perfection. He was a great passer.

If we gon' give Russell so much love for his defense, rebounds, blocks and intangibles, why not the Worm? You wanna talk chips? 5 outta 6 ain't chopped liver, and he did this in a much tougher era against the likes of Bird, Magic, Jordan, Shaq, Hakeem, DRobinson, KMalone, CBarkley, JWorthy etc. That's an impressive list. To reiterate, he wasn't his team's first or second or even third scoring option, but Bill Russell wasn't either

What gives???

[DJ Leon Smith]

[mr.big35]

Jordan apostles

[TheMan]

Great retort

You really gave an eloquent argument there, big fella

[TheMan]

Admit it, I got you Russell jockers shook.

LAZ or CavaliersFTW, come at me bruh

[livinglegend]

Russell 5 MVPs ( same as Jordan) : rodman 0
Russell was the leader and the best player of his team : Rodman wasnt
Russell won 11 championships in 13 years ( he was injured in one of them)
Russell was a much better offensive player than Rodman
He was also better defensively

[Ca$H]

Yeah, I'm one of those who think Bill Russell is overrated and gets way too much credit for those Celtics 60s dynasty. Winning 11 chips is a great accomplishment but let's not get carried away. First of all, his competition was crap compared to the modern era of basketball. Bob Cousy was a "great" back then, nuff said. OK, when you ask the Russell junkies what exactly makes him the GOAT when you get past the TEAM accomplishment of 11 titles in 13 years, they tell you he was a GOAT defender and rebounder, he was smart and had all the intangibles and he affected his team's offense not by scoring but by his passing, grabbing offensive boards and his stellar outlet passes...that's cool and all but that's Dennis Rodman too.

Those of you old enough to remember, Dennis was a beast of a defender, he could guard bigs but was also quick enough in his prime to guard wingmen too. He defended against Shaq, DRobinson, Zo, PEwing, Karl Malone, Charles Barkley and also defended Bird, Magic, Pippen and Jordan Bran Stans, THAT'S versatility. Dennis was huge in the mid to late 90s Bulls on the OFFENSIVE side of the ball, never having a play run for him but he'd grab ORebounds for putbacks or give the Bulls extra posessions. Plus, those defensive rebounds became pinpoint outlet passes to start the Bulls lethal fastbreaks. He regularly would end up with 10 plus points with 20 something boards with a couple of blocks to boot. Dennis, contrary to popular belief, was really smart on the court. He would get in your head to get you off your game, he ran the most complex offensive system, the triangle O, to perfection. He was a great passer.

If we gon' give Russell so much love for his defense, rebounds, blocks and intangibles, why not the Worm? You wanna talk chips? 5 outta 6 ain't chopped liver, and he did this in a much tougher era against the likes of Bird, Magic, Jordan, Shaq, Hakeem, DRobinson, KMalone, CBarkley, JWorthy etc. That's an impressive list. To reiterate, he wasn't his team's first or second or even third scoring option, but Bill Russell wasn't either

What gives???

I agree Rodman would = Russell if he played in the weak 60s era.

[livinglegend]

I agree Rodman would = Russell if he played in the weak 60s era.

anyone can make statements like these.
Russell would average 30 ppg, 40 rbs and 25 blks per game if he played in Jordan s era.

[TheMan]

anyone can make statements like these.
Russell would average 30 ppg, 40 rbs and 25 blks per game if he played in Jordan s era.

Russell didn't average 25 in a weak era and he gon' ham in a tougher one?

Dat Bran Stan logic, doe

[TheMan]

Russell 5 MVPs ( same as Jordan) : rodman 0
Russell was the leader and the best player of his team : Rodman wasnt
Russell won 11 championships in 13 years ( he was injured in one of them)
Russell was a much better offensive player than Rodman
He was also better defensively

Stats nigguh, I've seen the breakdown when you adjust pace and Russell's stats aren't much greater than Rodman's. In fact, it's the opposite.

Inflated stats in a weak era

[livinglegend]

Russell didn't average 25 in a weak era and he gon' ham in a tougher one?

Dat Bran Stan logic, doe

with better nutrition and training, he would average 25 easily.
BTW, Jordan s era was one of the weakest. The only top 15 Jordan ever beat was Magic (by the end of his career).

[AnaheimLakers24]

kobe and rodman would win 8 chips together

kobe > kd > jordan > bran

[livinglegend]

Stats nigguh, I've sren the breakdown when you adjust pace and Russell's stats aren't much greatethan Rodman's. In fact, it's the opposite.

5 MVPs, 11 rings. Basketball is about winning. Russell won 11 as the best player on his team. THat s 5 more than Jordan.

[riseagainst]

with better nutrition and training, he would average 25 easily.
BTW, Jordan s era was one of the weakest. The only top 15 Jordan ever beat was Magic (by the end of his career).

never go full 'tard.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

5 MVPs, 11 rings. Basketball is about winning. Russell won 11 as the best player on his team. THat s 5 more than Jordan.

So you admit, Lebron needs at least 4 more chips to be equal to/better than Jordan? It's all about "winning" right...?