There is no way in hell Lebron is higher than Hakeem...

[Purch]

And I don't think people understand how garbage his supporting cast was in those early years. And yes, worse than LeBron's Cleveland cast

It wasn't just about supporting cast, he approached the game differently. His game wasn't nearly as refined at that point. Another poster described him as "a wild bull", and I think it's an accurate description of the games I've seen

[dubeta]

perennial 1st round losers should be locked out the top 10

olajuwon, kobe, jordan all out

[Rocketswin2013]

It wasn't just about supporting cast, he approached the game differently. His game wasn't nearly as refined at that point. Another poster described him as "a wild bull", and I think it's an accurate description of the games I've seen

Yeah undisciplined

[sportjames23]

perennial 1st round losers should be locked out the top 10

olajuwon, kobe, jordan all out

Perennial missing playoffs should be locked out of the top 10

olajuwon, kobe, lebron all out

[dubeta]

Perennial missing playoffs should be locked out of the top 10

olajuwon, kobe, lebron all out

jordan missed it too

[deja vu]

perennial 1st round losers should be locked out the top 10

olajuwon, kobe, jordan all out

6/6 >>> 2/5
U mad?

[juju151111]

Great point. Look at the all-NBA selections at center during that time.

1986: KAJ, Hakeem
1987: Hakeem, Moses
1988: Hakeem, Ewing
1989: Hakeem, Ewing, Parish
1990: Ewing, Hakeem, Robinson (rookie)
1991: Robinson, Ewing, Hakeem
1992: Robinson, Ewing, Daughtery
1993: Hakeem, Ewing, Robinson
1994: Hakeem, Robinson, Shaq
1995: Robinson, Shaq, Hakeem
1996: Robinson, Hakeem, Shaq
1997: Hakeem, Ewing, Shaq (Robinson missed all but 6 games)

So after Robinson's rookie year he was usually ahead of Hakeem. Ewing also placed ahead of Hakeem at times.

The above to me is the difference between Hakeem and the top 10 all-time. He was not considered the best player at his position for as long or in the way the others were in their primes. Even at his absolute peak there were many people who--at the time--thought Robinson was better.

Hakeem was a great player but, as you noted, people confuse peak Hakeem with Hakeem's total record. There is no other all-time great whose legacy is based so much on 2-3 years. Hakeem simply was not at that level for as long as the other top 10 all-time players were.

the only reason Hakeem didn't win more is his teammates were hot garbage. Dribble or Ewing was not better then him. Come playoffs time Hakeem tips them apart.

[juju151111]

Here is some epic choking by Hakeem you probably never heard of...

No Robert Horry to save the day...

1988 1st round vs Utah Jazz: 5 Game series, Rockets are up 2-1. 1 win away from winning the series.

Game 4: Rockets up 21-10 after the 1st quarter, Jazz outscore the Rockets 83-50 in the next/last 3 quarters!
Rockets were just down 4 going into the 4th, Jazz outscore Rockets 28-10 in the 4th, while Hakeem for the game had 27 points on 10-29 35%....

Vintage Hakeem. A lot of points, a lot of shots, a lot of bricks....

Of course the Rockets lost the following deciding game 5.
Hakeem went sailing in the 1st round once again, like the previous year in 1987 when he was eliminated by the 39-43 Sonics, a team that couldn't even muster a winning record.

All those 80s teams were garbage and they lose Ralph because he turned into a crack head. Hakeem in his 2nd season destroyed the Lakers and led his team to the finals.

[ralph_i_el]

Relative to each era, dipshit.

Then he would have been teamed up with Durant and cp3. We all watched the games yo can't make us believe that wade and bosh were franchise level players the past few years.

[HurricaneKid]

From age 25-29 Dream won a total of ZERO playoff series and missed the playoffs once.

That's his physical prime. Zero playoff series wins.

Career:
LeBron 33.8 playoff WS.
Hakeem 22.6 playoff WS.

In 94 the Rockets played the Knicks in the Finals. The Knicks second best player was famously bagging groceries just a few years before. In 95 Clyde Drexler led the Rockets in playoff WS. This whole "He didn't play with anyone" thing is ridiculous. Because A) no one else did either and B) because he DID, a HoF at that who contributed in enormous fashion.

Dream is horribly overrated. Robinson was better for at least 6 of the 8 years they played against one another. Dreams 2 years just happened to coincide with Jordan's departure.

[juju151111]

From age 25-29 Dream won a total of ZERO playoff series and missed the playoffs once.

That's his physical prime. Zero playoff series wins.

Career:
LeBron 33.8 playoff WS.
Hakeem 22.6 playoff WS.

In 94 the Rockets played the Knicks in the Finals. The Knicks second best player was famously bagging groceries just a few years before. In 95 Clyde Drexler led the Rockets in playoff WS. This whole "He didn't play with anyone" thing is ridiculous. Because A) no one else did either and B) because he DID, a HoF at that who contributed in enormous fashion.

Dream is horribly overrated. Robinson was better for at least 6 of the 8 years they played against one another. Dreams 2 years just happened to coincide with Jordan's departure.

Robinson was never better then Hakeem. Robinson is a RS player.