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Very good NBA starter
Re: There is no way in hell Lebron is higher than Hakeem...
Hakeem was the 2nd Best Player in the World after Jordan in 94 and 95. But to say Kobe had one of the worst supporting casts is blashemy. Kobe had the 2nd or 3rd Best PF in the Game in Pau Gasol, a Twin Towyer System with Bynum a Top 5 Center and Odom who was among the Best Sixtman and verstaile players. Lebron in every aspect of the game but long range shooting. Now Hakeem? Was Better than Both.
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Heat|Dolphins|Marlins
Re: There is no way in hell Lebron is higher than Hakeem...
Originally Posted by stalkerforlife
Relative to each era, dipshit.
Relative to era? Magic and Bird were like the 1A and 1B of the NBA. Wade wasn't the top 3 player in the league that he was before the big 3 (besides in 2011) and Bosh has NEVER been even remotely on their level.
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: There is no way in hell Lebron is higher than Hakeem...
We gonna ignore how LeBron took on a stacked team in 2012 with OKC featuring Durant/Westbrook/Harden/Ibaka, also look how bad Bosh & Wade played in the 2013 postseason. LeBron was carrying Miami from the 2013 postseason all the way through the 2014 Finals.
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Free the banned users.
Re: There is no way in hell Lebron is higher than Hakeem...
Originally Posted by Round Mound
Hakeem was the 2nd Best Player in the World after Jordan in 94 and 95. But to say Kobe had one of the worst supporting casts is blashemy. Kobe had the 2nd or 3rd Best PF in the Game in Pau Gasol, a Twin Towyer System with Bynum a Top 5 Center and Odom who was among the Best Sixtman and verstaile players. Lebron in every aspect of the game but long range shooting. Now Hakeem? Was Better than Both.
Kobe had the 2nd worst supporting cast in the history of back to back titles. Don't even talk to me about Bynum. Odom was a great ROLE player, never once an all-star. Pau is 0-16 in the playoffs without his alpha daddy.
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Free the banned users.
Re: There is no way in hell Lebron is higher than Hakeem...
Originally Posted by 1987_Lakers
We gonna ignore how LeBron took on a stacked team in 2012 with OKC featuring Durant/Westbrook/Harden/Ibaka, also look how bad Bosh & Wade played in the 2013 postseason. LeBron was carrying Miami from the 2013 postseason all the way through the 2014 Finals.
Are you gonna ignore Lebron LOSING the 2011 finals by HIMSELF? He SABOTAGED Wade's FINALS MVP in the process.
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: There is no way in hell Lebron is higher than Hakeem...
Originally Posted by stalkerforlife
Are you gonna ignore Lebron LOSING the 2011 finals by HIMSELF? He SABOTAGED Wade's FINALS MVP in the process.
Are you gonna ignore how badly Hakeem regressed during the '91 & '92 seasons? D-Rob & Ewing were head and shoulders ahead of Hakeem those years.
Keep nitpicking though.
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Embiid > Jokic
Re: There is no way in hell Lebron is higher than Hakeem...
Originally Posted by stalkerforlife
Relative to each era, dipshit.
That's some of the dumbest logic I've ever heard. So you seriously believe Wade & Bosh, CHRIS ****ING BOSH are comparable to Magic & Bird?
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Re: There is no way in hell Lebron is higher than Hakeem...
Originally Posted by stalkerforlife
Kobe had the 2nd worst supporting cast in the history of back to back titles. Don't even talk to me about Bynum. Odom was a great ROLE player, never once an all-star. Pau is 0-16 in the playoffs without his alpha daddy.
LOL. Splitter > injured Bynum. Kwahi > Odom.
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GOAT
Re: There is no way in hell Lebron is higher than Hakeem...
Originally Posted by Fudge
Haha my nigha always hitting it right on the money. Always hitting the spot. My spot. I love you.
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Local High School Star
Re: There is no way in hell Lebron is higher than Hakeem...
Back 2 back MVP on a championship team yea he better than hakeem
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GOAT
Re: There is no way in hell Lebron is higher than Hakeem...
Originally Posted by houston
Back 2 back MVP on a championship team yea he better than hakeem
And here comes the local Hakeem hater.
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Buck Dynasty
Re: There is no way in hell Lebron is higher than Hakeem...
Originally Posted by Round Mound
Hakeem was the 2nd Best Player in the World after Jordan in 94 and 95. But to say Kobe had one of the worst supporting casts is blashemy. Kobe had the 2nd or 3rd Best PF in the Game in Pau Gasol, a Twin Towyer System with Bynum a Top 5 Center and Odom who was among the Best Sixtman and verstaile players. Lebron in every aspect of the game but long range shooting. Now Hakeem? Was Better than Both.
Bynum was a top 5 center? He didn't even play in the 2008 finals run and put up 7ppg in the repeat championship runs.
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Re: There is no way in hell Lebron is higher than Hakeem...
Originally Posted by Milbuck
Bynum was a top 5 center? He didn't even play in the 2008 finals run and put up 7ppg in the repeat championship runs.
Dwight Yao shaq amare Bynum top 5
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Scott Hastings Fan
Re: There is no way in hell Lebron is higher than Hakeem...
Not that I have a problem with Hakeem over LeBron but there is certainly and argument to made that LeBron is greater already.
I can see why someone would prefer Hakeem, the things he brings to the table seem like the perfect fit on almost any team. There really isn't anything that he can't do. But he didn't accomplish as much as LeBron did. LeBron has been the best player in the league for six years. Hakeem had a two year run, during Jordan's hiatus. Part of that is timing, but as they say, timing is everything. LeBron's four MVP's compared to Hakeem's one is a significant factor, but not a defining one alone.
LeBron's won as many titles as the man as Hakeem did. He's been to more finals, more conference finals and already won more playoff series.
I understand the teammate argument, but I don't think it holds up. Yes Hakeem won with less talented second and third players, but those teams that won were actually very good. Players like Horry, Cassell, Maxwell, Elie and Smith routinely hit big shots and one of them always seemed to come up with a 20 point game if it was needed. Not to mention Thorpe for the first title run and Drexler for the second, the teams second best player by the numbers each year.
The level of support the games other stars had during those title runs should be noted as well. It's not like today where stars are paired up (or in trios) everywhere.
Ewing had Starks and Oakley
Pippen had Grant and Armstrong
Robinson had Rodman and Elliott
Barkley had KJ but the two could never stay healthy together
Shaq had Penny but they were in their early twenties
Malone had Stockton, that was the best duo probably.
Not exactly the Thunder with Westbrook/Durant/Harden/Ibaka or the Spurs with three Hall of Famers and the guy who won Finals MVP. The Celtics with three hall of famers and their best player at point guard. The Clippers with Blake and Paul, Rockets with Harden and Howard. Teams are built different now.
Finally on the teammate subject. We've seen LeBron do more with less, going to the Finals in '07, taking the NBA Champs to seven in '08 and winning 60+ games in '09 and '10. Doing it all without a bonafide all-star teammate.
Hakeem was in the same spot from 1988 to 1992 and he struggled to win a playoff series and wanted to be traded.
Never have a problem with Hakeem over LeBron right now, but pretending he's not close is an emotional over-reaction.
Last edited by G.O.A.T; 08-05-2014 at 12:03 AM.
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Form is temporary
Re: There is no way in hell Lebron is higher than Hakeem...
Honestly if Jordan didn't retire to play baseball, Hakeem would have had zero titles.
Still what he did with a less than stellar supporting cast was phenomenal. No doubt he's better than LeBron who needed superstacked teams.
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