Higher on the all-time SG list: Allen Iverson or Ray Allen?

[roffie]

iverson..

[Punpun]

Bynum + Gasol > Shaq. There I said it.

[fatboy11]

Allen Iverson won an MVP, a ROY and was 7 times All-NBA and led a team to the Finals. Ray Allen has been All-NBA twice and never came close to sniffing an MVP.

Ray Allen teaming with two other future HOFers to win a ring shouldn't put him in over Iverson, who never played with a HOF caliber player outside of a declining Mutombo (and he only played two years with Deke).

Allen Iverson, hands down. We're talking about individual greatness here, so teaming with two other HOF players doesn't weight very heavily at all, IMO.

[D.J.]

Iverson no question. How quick people forget that AI was a 30+ PPG and led a Sixers team to the Finals that basically consisted of Aaron McKie, Eric Snow, and 35 year old Dikembe Mutombo. Ray Allen was good, but even at his best, he was a minimum 1 tier below AI.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Iverson. I don't really see the arguement for Allen.

[AMISTILLILL]

You have to establish a criteria for this sort of thing. Are you speaking strictly from their play, or do career achievements weigh in? Does overall impact on the style and culture of the game factor in at all? Longevity of career? Both guys have cases for being better than another, depending on the criteria.

[fatboy11]

For those clamoring for Ray Allen - state your case. You can't just say his name and not back it up.

[ImmortalD24]

Iverson had the DPOY, 6th Man of the Year and the COTY. LMAO at "no help".. That team was easily the most stacked team in the leastern conference. It took them 7 games to beat the Bucks, and then got backdoor swept in the finals after winning game 1 in overtime.

[StateOfMind12]

Iverson, but it's closer than what some people are suggesting in this thread.

The main reason why I went with Iverson is due to his superior playmaking ability. Ray was much more efficient than Iverson but Ray also played with better offensive players than Iverson ever did when they were both leaders/best players on their team.

[D.J.]

Iverson had the DPOY, 6th Man of the Year and the COTY. LMAO at "no help".. That team was easily the most stacked team in the leastern conference. It took them 7 games to beat the Bucks, and then got backdoor swept in the finals after winning game 1 in overtime.

They were stacked defensively. Offensively, it was the Philadelphia Iversons. Even though that team was designed for AI's style of play, they were an average offensive team WITH Iverson. They're lucky if they make the playoffs without AI.

[AK47DR91]

As much as people have forgotten how good Iverson was during his first stint in Philly, people have also forgotten how great Allen was in Milwaukee. He wasn't just a long-range 3-point shooter like Reggie Miller was, who always get compared to Allen.

Allen was more than that. He was a great all-around player. He was kinda like early 2000's McGrady and Kobe but with much much less hype.

But Iverson will stand out more because he changed the way the point guard was supposed to play. He's also the greatest "little man" ever to play the game. A.I. was just one of a kind player.

Allen can easily but compared to McGrady, Mullin, Miller, Pierce, Melo, etc.

[fatboy11]

Iverson had the DPOY, 6th Man of the Year and the COTY. LMAO at "no help".. That team was easily the most stacked team in the leastern conference. It took them 7 games to beat the Bucks, and then got backdoor swept in the finals after winning game 1 in overtime.

Is that your argument?

[ImmortalD24]

Put Ray Allen in place of Iverson during his stint with the Nuggets.. Does anyone here think the Nuggets would be worse off?

[StateOfMind12]

Replace Ray Allen with Iverson on during his stint on the Nuggets.. Does anyone think they'd be worse off?

This is such a dumb argument. Replace Durant with LeBron on the 2011 Heat and they would win a title opposed to flaming out in the finals. Too bad everyone knows LeBron was better than Durant then and by the way, Durant is my favorite player too.

[fatboy11]

Put Ray Allen in place of Iverson during his stint with the Nuggets.. Does anyone here think the Nuggets would be worse off?

Is that your argument?