All this picture proves is that

**lilteapot** · 10-06-2016, 03:41 AM

Kobe wasn't good enough in his prime years to be top 5 in PER

**SpaceJam** · 10-06-2016, 03:48 AM

Except he was top 5 in 05-06/06-07/03-04/02-03

**LongLiveTheKing** · 10-06-2016, 03:56 AM

Just goes to show how much he was carried.

**SpaceJam** · 10-06-2016, 04:01 AM

Except he was best on his team in 08-09/07-08/06-07/05-06/04-05

Jeff finna get some new blood up in here cause the troll game been weak lately

**Jacks3** · 10-06-2016, 04:10 AM

Yet his +/- numbers were phenomenal and as good or better than anybody in the league outside of LBJ and Wade. Many of the guys ahead of him in PER (Durant, Duncan, Bosh,, Melo, CP3,Lee, Dirk) were well behind him in the impact stats...and often it wasn't even close at all. Perhaps this shows that his impact went far beyond the box-score and that PER is generally useless.

**Doranku** · 10-06-2016, 04:35 AM

Prime LeBron paired up with the 2nd and 4th highest PER players and failed to win a ring with homecourt advantage against old Dirk, Jason Terry, and Tyson Chandler.

**Smoke117** · 10-06-2016, 04:41 AM

Originally Posted by Doranku

Prime LeBron paired up with the 2nd and 4th highest PER players and failed to win a ring with homecourt advantage against old Dirk, Jason Terry, and Tyson Chandler.

...the same team the Championship Lakers got swept by.

**NBAGOAT** · 10-06-2016, 04:49 AM

Originally Posted by Jacks3

Yet his +/- numbers were phenomenal and as good or better than anybody in the league outside of LBJ and Wade. Many of the guys ahead of him in PER (Durant, Duncan, Bosh,, Melo, CP3,Lee, Dirk) were well behind him in the impact stats...and often it wasn't even close at all. Perhaps this shows that his impact went far beyond the box-score and that PER is generally useless.

Kobe's impact stats on offense are fantastic. However you claiiming PER being useless doesn't 100% help Kobe. Nash had a lower PER than Kobe but was more impactful on offense(RAPM). Kobe obviously being better on defense makes it close but Nash still beats him overall for RAPM that year at least based on the google docs list online. Honestly, Nash is maybe one of the best examples of all time of offensive impact not being in the box score.

**BigTicket** · 10-06-2016, 04:55 AM

Originally Posted by SpaceJam

Except he was top 5 in 05-06/06-07/03-04/02-03

When was he #1 ? In any of the advanced stats ?

**SpaceJam** · 10-06-2016, 05:09 AM

Originally Posted by BigTicket

When was he #1 ? In any of the advanced stats ?

When did I state he was #1? In any of the thread replies ?

**BigTicket** · 10-06-2016, 05:39 AM

Originally Posted by SpaceJam

When did I state he was #1? In any of the thread replies ?

I was asking a question, not saying you made that statement.

The OP may have cherrypicked the year to put Kobe outside the top 5, but the point he was trying to make is valid. According to advanced stats, Kobe was never the top player in the league, most years he wasn't even close.

**MP.Trey** · 10-06-2016, 07:04 AM

Kobe was top 5 in PER in 2003. Already had a top 2 PER in Shaq. Then gained the #11 and #17 players in PER in Karl Malone and Gary Payton.

He still couldn't win though.

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