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Old 09-25-2015, 08:02 PM   #1
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Default Reforming 'Finals MVP' to 'Championship MVP.' (Please read, Adam Silver)

The Finals MVP to some is considered the most venerable award bestowed to an individual. While the regular-season MVP is more purely individualistic than the Finals MVP currently is, the latter is held in higher esteem because it's the only individualized championship-associated accolade that exists.

It's been traditionally and predominantly awarded to the distinguishable leader of a championship team, but there have been anomalies wherein the leader was (supposedly) outperformed by a Finals MVP-awardee teammate, and thus their leadership en route to that championship was not recognized properly; see Stephen Curry for the most recent snub in that context. Such snubs lead superficial eyes into discrediting the team-leader's preeminent impact in taking him the Larry O'Brien trophy.

IMHO, unless the championship-leader is fairly indistinguishable, the team-leader should hoist up that Bill Russell trophy at the end of June regardless of a teammate supposedly outperforming them—unless they outperform them that substantially that it outbalances their season-wide impact on that team. The only way to solidify consistence to such a criteria would be to rebrand Finals MVP to Championship MVP—an accolade bestowed upon the player that made the biggest impact in the totality of the championship season, including the regular season and playoffs.

Yes, the Finals may be the final stage, but the recency phenomena can't cloud the fact that the finals performance is only a sample size of the season-long contributions these contributors made throughout the season—including the road to that penultimate stage to the championship.

Sadly, the NBA may be too traditionalistic to ever entertain this; but such an award would ensure that there are no snubs in the very essence of it—and even more so that that losing-team players wouldn't be considered for an award that's meant to be congratulatory to the winning team, as would have been the case with LeBron had two more votes swung in his favor.
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Old 09-25-2015, 08:07 PM   #2
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Default Re: Reforming 'Finals MVP' to 'Championship MVP.' (Please read, Adam Silver)

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The Finals MVP to some is considered the most venerable award bestowed to an individual.

Which is dumb. It's a 7 game stretch at most, and there are only two teams worth of players available to win the award. Compare to 82 games and everyone having a shot. And anyway, the award is always given to the a player on the winning team regardless of what sort of numbers any player on the opposing team put up (West being the one exception the first time the award was given out).

So it didn't matter what sort of stats Lebron put up (even if he had shot better it wouldn't have mattered). He was on the losing team. Golden State won not simply because of Curry or Iggy, they won because they were the better, deeper team despite Lebron's dominance. Golden State as a team was better than the team the Cavs had on the floor in the finals, and so the award was given to a Warriors player.

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Old 09-25-2015, 08:10 PM   #3
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Default Re: Reforming 'Finals MVP' to 'Championship MVP.' (Please read, Adam Silver)

I'm sure Adam Silver is always here reading threads, dude.
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Old 09-25-2015, 08:10 PM   #4
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Default Re: Reforming 'Finals MVP' to 'Championship MVP.' (Please read, Adam Silver)

Agreed... Just because Iggy helped GS get over the hump when he was inserted into the starting lineup, that doesn't mean he's more valuable than Curry..

Mosgov got Cleveland over the hump during the RS... Does that make Mosgov more valuable than Lebron?

Curry is still by far the most valuable player on that team and he should've been respected as such.. But oh no, the media had to kiss Lebron's ass, because they know nothing about the game.
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Old 09-25-2015, 08:14 PM   #5
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Default Re: Reforming 'Finals MVP' to 'Championship MVP.' (Please read, Adam Silver)

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I'm sure Adam Silver is always here reading threads, dude.

There is a poster who goes by the handle of Adam Silver.
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Old 09-25-2015, 08:20 PM   #6
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Default Re: Reforming 'Finals MVP' to 'Championship MVP.' (Please read, Adam Silver)

Now which player was better:

Kawi Leonard with the FMVP in 2014.

Or Durant with the MVP ?

Durant was in another league. A top 20 all-time kind of league that season. Kawi had a strong finals showing along with the rest of his team. That was good and all, but it doesn't measure up to what Durant did in the regular season. Not remotely.

It would be like claiming that Bill Russell's 1962 finals was more impressive than Wilt's 50/25.
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Old 09-25-2015, 08:26 PM   #7
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Default Re: Reforming 'Finals MVP' to 'Championship MVP.' (Please read, Adam Silver)

+1

Andre Iguodala wasn't the reason the series turned around, the decision to abandon the corpse of Bogut and go small ball was. Which player enabled the Warriors to go small ball with 3 defensive minded small forwards that struggle to score 10 points per game? Steph Curry. No other player could get the offense that Curry did out of a lineup of defensive journeymen with little to no offensive skills. Andre Iguodala benefited from Curry's double teams much like Scottie Pippen used to benefit from Michael's. Andre Iguodala didn't even hold LeBron below his playoff FG average. LeBron was sucking all playoffs with empty stats on low FG%. Andre Iguodala didn't hold him any differently than the other teams LeBron played in the east. Andre Iguodala wouldn't of been able to be on the floor if it wasn't for Steph Curry making up for the offensive deficiencies.
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Old 09-25-2015, 08:49 PM   #8
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Default Re: Reforming 'Finals MVP' to 'Championship MVP.' (Please read, Adam Silver)

They should just rename it playoff MVP, give it to the guy from the winning team who was better all postseason, as opposed to one series.
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Old 09-25-2015, 09:00 PM   #9
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Default Re: Reforming 'Finals MVP' to 'Championship MVP.' (Please read, Adam Silver)

It should be renamed the media hype award
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Old 09-25-2015, 09:04 PM   #10
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Default Re: Reforming 'Finals MVP' to 'Championship MVP.' (Please read, Adam Silver)

I was always partial to "Lebron's matchup MVP"
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Old 09-25-2015, 09:25 PM   #11
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Default Re: Reforming 'Finals MVP' to 'Championship MVP.' (Please read, Adam Silver)

Anyone who thinks the FMVP is more valuable than the regular season MVP doesn't know sh!t about basketball. Every player that has won the MVP has made the hall of fame, even if they never won a ring (or they will make it). It's a free ticket to the hall of fame. The same can't be said for the FMVP.
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Old 09-25-2015, 09:26 PM   #12
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Default Re: Reforming 'Finals MVP' to 'Championship MVP.' (Please read, Adam Silver)

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They should just rename it playoff MVP, give it to the guy from the winning team who was better all postseason, as opposed to one series.
But that one final winning series is the biggest stage of the sport. When players want to shine the brightest.... against the supposed best team from the opposing conference.

This way, in the future, if there's a less likely / prominent player who won a previous FMVP, people will want to see what he did to deserve it. They're more likely to watch the Finals, than having to take the time breakdown the entire postseason.
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Old 09-25-2015, 09:29 PM   #13
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Default Re: Reforming 'Finals MVP' to 'Championship MVP.' (Please read, Adam Silver)

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Anyone who thinks the FMVP is more valuable than the regular season MVP doesn't know sh!t about basketball. Every player that has won the MVP has made the hall of fame, even if they never won a ring (or they will make it). It's a free ticket to the hall of fame. The same can't be said for the FMVP.

I don't disagree that MVP is more valuable than Finals MVP, but every Finals MVP besides Maxwell has made the HOF too. Although there's a good chance Iggy will be next for that distinction . And hey, if Rose can't stay healthy he might not make the HOF
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Old 09-25-2015, 09:37 PM   #14
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But that one final winning series is the biggest stage of the sport. When players want to shine the brightest.... against the supposed best team from the opposing conference.

This way, in the future, if there's a less likely / prominent player who won a previous FMVP, people will want to see what he did to deserve it. They're more likely to watch the Finals, than having to take the time breakdown the entire postseason.

Agreed 100%. The casual fans will come in droves to watch Iggy play 25 mpg in the first round
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Old 09-25-2015, 09:43 PM   #15
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Default Re: Reforming 'Finals MVP' to 'Championship MVP.' (Please read, Adam Silver)

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Anyone who thinks the FMVP is more valuable than the regular season MVP doesn't know sh!t about basketball. Every player that has won the MVP has made the hall of fame, even if they never won a ring (or they will make it). It's a free ticket to the hall of fame. The same can't be said for the FMVP.
That's because most MVP's had very good / standout college careers which is taken into consideration when voting.

It's why is called the Basketball HOF and not NBA HOF.

Look at Bill Walton's injury riddled NBA career.

2× NBA champion (1977, 1986)
NBA Finals MVP (1977)
NBA Most Valuable Player (1978)
2× NBA All-Star (1977–1978)
All-NBA First Team (1978)
All-NBA Second Team (1977)
2× NBA All-Defensive First Team (1977–1978)
NBA Sixth Man of the Year (1986)
NBA rebounding leader (1977)
NBA blocks leader (1977)
No. 32 retired by Portland Trail Blazers
NBA 50th Anniversary Team

All his damage was basically done in a 2yr span. Is that enough to get him into the HOF?

But when you add his collegiate career.

2× NCAA champion (1972–1973)
2× NCAA Final Four Most Outstanding Player (1972–1973)
3× National college player of the year (1972–1974)
3× Consensus first-team All-American (1972–1974)

That's what puts him in...
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