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Re: Why do people think point guards aren't supposed to shoot?
Originally Posted by knicksman
its one thing to be a scoring threat but its another when you force the issue. Because it is easier to stop a player who has the ball in his hands than an off the ball player, So if youre scoring as a pg, then that means you just care about stats and not wins. Thats why players like them are low impact players.
this makes no sense. you talk as if someone can't be denied the ball. looking at okc in particular, everyone claims that the problem is that westbrook doesn't get the ball to durant. it would seem that in this case it's pretty easy to stop durant. how can a guy who's just standing around, not doing shit be harder to stop than the guy who has the damn ball?
your last 2 sentences are disrespectful to every great pg ever and show that you probably don't really watch basketball
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Re: Why do people think point guards aren't supposed to shoot?
Originally Posted by Graviton
You obviously don't watch OKC much.
It's literally Scott Brooks plan, Durant and Westbrook are SUPPOSED to take 20 shots a game and carry the team. In every interview he says the same shit, "We want Russell to stay aggressive and keep attacking". It's his offensive gameplan.
It's not Westbrook's fault Durant can't get open against physical defenders, 5-10 seconds are wasted by Russ standing at 3 point line waiting for Durant to shake Tony Allen so he can pass to him. It's not as easy as "looking for Durant more", the opposing team isn't ****ing retarded, they KNOW Westbrook will be looking for Durant and they cover the passing lanes and WAIT for it. OKC isn't magically going to be better just because Durant takes couple extra shots.
Because there's a Tony Allen on every team in the league...
Scott Brooks is dumb as ****, but it's not just KD. So many times Westbrook gets doubled off a drive but just doesn't have the court vision to make the pass to an open man.
I've watched enough OKC games to see Westbrook take a few stupid shots. Sometimes they go in, some times they don't.
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Re: Why do people think point guards aren't supposed to shoot?
Originally Posted by The Iron Sheik
the point guard can be the recipient of a pass for a shot or have a mismatch. why is it that people think every shot a point guard takes is bad?
Who thinks every shot a PG takes is bad? It's the putting high volume shooting regardless of shot quality (chucking) over getting higher percentage shots for the team that people have a problem with.
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Re: Why do people think point guards aren't supposed to shoot?
Originally Posted by knicksman
LOL did you watch last season? Esp when durant is playing insane, then westbrook came back and attempts more than durant. Thats just selfishness of the highest level.
You mean last season when he came back and took a whooping 17 shots a game compared to Durant's 21? Yea definitely. Is anything you say backed up by facts or just your delusions.
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Re: Why do people think point guards aren't supposed to shoot?
Originally Posted by Young X
Who thinks every shot a PG takes is bad? It's the putting high volume shooting regardless of shot quality (chucking) over getting higher percentage shots for the team that people have a problem with.
how are you so certain that if a point guard takes a lot of shots they're all going to be bad shots that hurt the team? if it's just volume, then that means when any scorer misses more than he makes (which is all but a handful) that he's hurting his team. is that what you're suggesting?
a point guard can run plays all day and they result in him taking 20 shots a game. when rose was shooting 20 times a game was he just ignoring his coach and doing whatever he wanted?
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Re: Why do people think point guards aren't supposed to shoot?
Originally Posted by Fire Colangelo
Because there's a Tony Allen on every team in the league...
Scott Brooks is dumb as ****, but it's not just KD. So many times Westbrook gets doubled off a drive but just doesn't have the court vision to make the pass to an open man.
I've watched enough OKC games to see Westbrook take a few stupid shots. Sometimes they go in, some times they don't.
If it's not Tony Allen it's Kawhi. Every contender has that type of "glue guy" nowadays. Durant struggles against them, he can't get free and it's not on Westbrook.
The "open man" is usually Andre Roberson or Perkins, and there is a reason they are open. Russ finds Ibaka/Durant when he has to, rest of the time I trust a contested jumper by Westbrook over an open shot by half the scrubs on that team.
Everyone takes a few stupid shots, even Durant. Nobody plays perfectly, those "few" instances don't overshadow the huge impact such players have majority of the time.
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Re: Why do people think point guards aren't supposed to shoot?
Originally Posted by The Iron Sheik
this makes no sense. you talk as if someone can't be denied the ball. looking at okc in particular, everyone claims that the problem is that westbrook doesn't get the ball to durant. it would seem that in this case it's pretty easy to stop durant. how can a guy who's just standing around, not doing shit be harder to stop than the guy who has the damn ball?
your last 2 sentences are disrespectful to every great pg ever and show that you probably don't really watch basketball
LOL bro if you play this game, you would realize that its easier to score playing off the ball than with the ball. Your point is like saying QBs should score instead of pass. Luckily there are only 5 players in basketball so you could still go 1 on 5 but even the most athletic player in lebron gets stopped in the finals playing that way, how much more for smaller players like westbrook and rose. Theres a reason why they are so inefficient and their impact is less compared to pure pgs. In fact I couldnt find a score first pg winning a ring as the man.
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Re: Why do people think point guards aren't supposed to shoot?
Originally Posted by knicksman
LOL bro if you play this game, you would realize that its easier to score playing off the ball than with the ball. Your point is like saying QBs should score instead of pass. Luckily there are only 5 players in basketball so you could still go 1 on 5 but even the most athletic player in lebron gets stopped in the finals playing that way, how much more for smaller players like westbrook and rose. Theres a reason why they are so inefficient and their impact is less compared to pure pgs. In fact I couldnt find a score first pg winning a ring as the man.
alright, let's do it this way:
define "pure pg"
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Re: Why do people think point guards aren't supposed to shoot?
Originally Posted by Graviton
You mean last season when he came back and took a whooping 17 shots a game compared to Durant's 21? Yea definitely. Is anything you say backed up by facts or just your delusions.
ohhh so youre using per game now instead of per36. Nice try bro
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Re: Why do people think point guards aren't supposed to shoot?
Originally Posted by knicksman
ohhh so youre using per game now instead of per36. Nice try bro
Dafuq....
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Re: Why do people think point guards aren't supposed to shoot?
Originally Posted by The Iron Sheik
alright, let's do it this way:
define "pure pg"
usually players who have >20ppg and 10+apg.
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Re: Why do people think point guards aren't supposed to shoot?
Originally Posted by knicksman
ohhh so youre using per game now instead of per36. Nice try bro
Yes, I am using reality instead of fictional "what if" scenarios.
Are you ****ing insane?
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Re: Why do people think point guards aren't supposed to shoot?
Originally Posted by knicksman
usually players who have >20ppg and 10+apg.
You realize that ">20ppg" means MORE than 20 PPG, right?
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Re: Why do people think point guards aren't supposed to shoot?
Originally Posted by knicksman
usually players who have >20ppg and 10+apg.
this post alone:
a) is "correct"
b) illustrates the sheer idiocy of this argument
we now define positions by stats - thanks, coaches across America! thanks for brainwashing idiots into now worshipping "PGs" who throw the ball to the wing for an iso, pick up an "assist," and then be labeled the next stockton because someone checks the box score and says "oh holy hell Scott Johnson got 9 assists, babe! he also only scored 7 points! what a ****ing american point guard! even made me forget about Osa- I MEAN Obama for 4 minutes LOLOLOL!"
**** anyone who argues over this in this day in age. the game has changed. GOATbrook, curry, lillard, and kyrie own your soul, and your team sucks if you don't have someone like them.
Last edited by Jef; 02-11-2015 at 01:41 AM.
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Re: Why do people think point guards aren't supposed to shoot?
Originally Posted by The Iron Sheik
how are you so certain that if a point guard takes a lot of shots they're all going to be bad shots that hurt the team? if it's just volume, then that means when any scorer misses more than he makes (which is all but a handful) that he's hurting his team. is that what you're suggesting?
a point guard can run plays all day and they result in him taking 20 shots a game. when rose was shooting 20 times a game was he just ignoring his coach and doing whatever he wanted?
Never said they would be all be bad shots that hurt teams. I just said PG's that shoot regardless of shot quality is what people have a problem with. It's not just shooting, it's the KIND of shots they take.
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