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Old 07-23-2018, 06:37 AM   #136
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Default Re: The Jordan Rules Defense. Can someone show it to me?

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I don't care how physical the fouls were.

I've been told numerous of times that the reason MJ attempted only 8FGA in the most important playoff game to date in 1989 (game 5 in the ECF) was the swarming defense aka "Jordan rules defense" that was being played on him. That he had very minimal chances to shoot.

Where are all these incidences in this game?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUTLRcL2ajw

That's moving the goalposts

Went from "show me where this happened" to "show me where it happened HERE"

Anyway it's well known why MJ played that way that game. He came out and said it himself
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Old 07-23-2018, 07:42 AM   #137
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Default Re: The Jordan Rules Defense. Can someone show it to me?

Obvious why this has gone on for 10 pages. The OP posted a question that he was never going to accept the answer to. And all of you bit on it..
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Old 07-23-2018, 11:57 AM   #138
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Default Re: The Jordan Rules Defense. Can someone show it to me?

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That's moving the goalposts

Went from "show me where this happened" to "show me where it happened HERE"

Anyway it's well known why MJ played that way that game. He came out and said it himself
Yes, I asked about game 5 later in thread but the initial question still stands and wanting to see all these brutal double and triple teams that's been talked about for years that MJ faced throughout his career than LeBron and no other players would never dream of seeing or be successful against. The so called "shutdown Jordan rules" defense.
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Old 07-23-2018, 12:02 PM   #139
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Default Re: The Jordan Rules Defense. Can someone show it to me?

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During the Bulls-Pistons series, the Pistons' 4th quarter policy was to double-team MJ every single time he touched the ball.. Here's an examle from Game 6 of 1989 ECF, starting at the 9 minute mark - MJ is double-teamed 10 of 13 times he touched the ball to finish out the game.. The 3 times he didn't get doubled were because he shot the ball immediately - here's all 10 double-teams shown in gifs:
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...0&postcount=88


Here's a video of MJ against Atlanta - he's double-teamed 12 of 13 possessions from the 6:40 mark to the 8:40 mark - the consecutive double-teams are shown in rapid succession:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLDGm8pV6uU&t=6m40s


The youtube channel "Nobody Touches Jordan" did a video of Payton guarding MJ in Game 4 of 1996 Finals (link here) - MJ was doubled exactly 10 of the 20 times he caught the ball with Payton guarding - all 10 double-teams are shown if gifs here:
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...&postcount=161


Here's the New York Times on Jordan, 1987:
"Last season, Jordan had to overcome the harrassment of zone traps and double-triple teaming to average 37.1 points a game."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s9_GKFNL9E&t=0m49s


Even on the post, MJ was double-teamed equally - here's a Shaq post video that shows him being doubled 33 of 62 times he caught the ball on the post (53%) compared to 52 of 103 in the MJ post video (50%).
SHAQ'S POST MOVES: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVxZs7dwCO8
MJ'S POST MOVES: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfSftZvpHJg

However, MJ got doubled all over the court, not just on the post - MJ's danger from anywhere on the court resulted in teams often doubling him 10+ possessions in a row, as various videos in the OP showed.. This type of every-possession double teams for 10 consecutive possessions never happened for Shaq, not even in the 2000 Finals.



By comparison, Lebron was doubled-teamed a TOTAL of 18 times in the entire Finals... So in comparison to MJ getting double-teamed 12 times in a single quarter, Lebron was doubled 3 times per game.
"Curry’s ability to guard one-on-one allowed the Warriors’ wing defenders to double-team LeBron James effectively. When James was double-teamed, the Cavaliers scored 5 points on 2-of-18 shooting (11 percent)".

http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/po...defensive-team


Rest in Piss OP
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Old 07-23-2018, 12:03 PM   #140
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Obvious why this has gone on for 10 pages. The OP posted a question that he was never going to accept the answer to. And all of you bit on it..
How many times have you heard "if you had seen the defenses that MJ faced" over the years? All I asked was to see the numerous of examples of the double and triple teams and the that was allegedly thrown at MJ during every game he played. Making it sound he was met at half court, then bobbing and weaving through the perimeter and into the paint just to get a shot off.

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Old 07-23-2018, 12:11 PM   #141
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Rest in Piss OP
LOL @ your dumbass thinking "sweeped" was a word.
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